Legislature(2017 - 2018)BARNES 124

04/13/2017 08:00 AM COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ SB 63 REGULATION OF SMOKING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 64 ADOPT UNIFORM ENVIRONMENTAL COVENANTS ACT TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 64 Out of Committee
+= HB 201 MUNICIPAL REGULATION OF TRAPPING TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 201(CRA) Out of Committee
            HB 201-MUNICIPAL REGULATION OF TRAPPING                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
8:03:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH announced that the first order of business would                                                                
be HOUSE BILL NO. 201, "An Act relating to municipal regulation                                                                 
of trapping; and providing for an effective date."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:03:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER moved to adopt Amendment 1 to HB 201, labeled                                                                  
30-LS0628\A.4, Bullard, 4/12/17, which read as follows:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 13:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
          "(d)  A municipality may not enact an ordinance                                                                       
    under   this   section   that   eliminates   reasonable                                                                     
     opportunities for subsistence trapping of game within                                                                      
     its boundaries."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Reletter the following subsection accordingly.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:05:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO objected  for discussion  purposes, then                                                               
removed his objection.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:05:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH announced that there  being no further objection,                                                               
Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:05:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TALERICO   offered    his   understanding   that                                                               
Representative Saddler had requested  some amendments but was not                                                               
present  to offer  them; therefore,  he said  he would  offer the                                                               
amendments on Representative Saddler's behalf.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:05:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  moved to  adopt Amendment  2 to  HB 201,                                                               
labeled 30-LS0628\A.1, Bullard, 4/11/17, which read as follows:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 10, following "protect":                                                                                      
     Insert "human"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER objected.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:06:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 8:06 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:06:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH called  the meeting back to order  to explain the                                                               
reason for the at-ease and to outline the agenda going forward.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:07:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:08 a.m. to 8:10 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:10:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO  pointed out  that  if  Amendment 2  was                                                               
adopted, then  the sentence it  amends would read as  follows: "A                                                               
municipality  may regulate  trapping  to protect  human life  and                                                               
property  within  its boundaries  and  may  exempt trappers  from                                                               
municipal regulation for good cause."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:11:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER requested  feedback from the bill  sponsor as to                                                               
whether Amendment 2 is necessary.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:11:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDY  JOSEPHSON,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  as                                                               
prime sponsor of  HB 201, said Amendment 2  is redundant, because                                                               
"in that  sentence, what's described  is clearly not  to regulate                                                               
trapping to protect wild animals,  because that's not necessarily                                                               
the purpose of  this ordinance at all."   He said he  is not sure                                                               
what Amendment  2 would add.   Further, he said because  there is                                                               
not a comma  following "life", the sentence  could be interpreted                                                               
to mean  protection of human  life and human property,  and since                                                               
"property"  is "sort  of a  human term,"  he does  not know  what                                                               
other kind of property there is.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:12:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN ROWE,  Staff, Representative  Andy Josephson,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  on   behalf  of  Representative   Josephson,  prime                                                               
sponsor of HB 201, said the  term "life" implies human life.  She                                                               
said she  thinks the purpose  of Amendment  2 is to  clarify that                                                               
"life" means "human  life", so a municipality cannot  argue it is                                                               
trying to  protect animal life.   She suggested "human"  could be                                                               
added  in multiple  places.   For  example,  adding it  preceding                                                               
"properties" would  clarify that  the protection is  not intended                                                               
for beaver dams,  for example.  Nevertheless, she  added that she                                                               
did not think Amendment 2 would have "a huge effect."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:13:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO  offered  his  understanding  that  "the                                                               
intent of the  sponsor [of Amendment 2] ...  was to differentiate                                                               
...  between  wild  animals  and  domestic  animals."    He  said                                                               
domestic  animals could  be considered  the property  of someone,                                                               
whereas wild  animals would be considered  "community property of                                                               
all the residents of the state of Alaska."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:14:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WESTLAKE asked  if there  is anything  wrong with                                                               
being redundant.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:15:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  answered  no,   but  opined  that  the                                                               
reading   is   "sort   of   clunky   and   a   little   awkward."                                                               
Notwithstanding that,  he said he took  Representative Westlake's                                                               
point and is "indifferent about it."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:15:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND directed attention  to the phrase "damage                                                               
to persons or  property" on page 2, line 2,  and said she doesn't                                                               
know why "this  needs to be different."  She  noted that "persons                                                               
or property" appears  in several places on page 2.   She said she                                                               
does not think Amendment 2 is necessary.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND   [moved  to  adopt]  an   amendment  to                                                               
Amendment 2, to [delete] "human"  from Amendment 2 and change the                                                               
word "life" to "persons".                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:16:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER  asked for the sponsor's  feedback regarding the                                                               
proposed amendment to Amendment 2.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:16:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON told  Representative  Drummond that  if                                                               
Mr. Bullard was  available to comment, he would like  to hear his                                                               
opinion.  He stated, "I think it's a very fine idea."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH  noted Mr.  Bullard was not  on line,  but listed                                                               
others who were available for  comment, including Cheryl Brooking                                                               
from the Department  of Law.  He questioned  whether the addition                                                               
of  "human",  as  proposed  under   Amendment  2,  would  make  a                                                               
substantive difference.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:17:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL  BROOKING, Assistant  Attorney General,  Natural Resources                                                               
Section, Civil Division (Anchorage),  Department of Law (DOL), in                                                               
response to Co-Chair Parish, said  the phrase "in defense of life                                                               
and property" has  been established for quite some  time, and she                                                               
suggested  that  a representative  of  the  Department of  Public                                                               
Safety could address how that is enforced.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:18:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND, in  response to  Co-Chair Parish,  said                                                               
she maintained her motion to adopt the amendment to Amendment 2.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:18:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO  expressed   support  for  the  proposed                                                               
amendment to Amendment 2.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:19:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND, in response  to Co-Chair Parish, offered                                                               
that the amendment to Amendment  2 would delete "life" and insert                                                               
"persons", on page 1, line 10.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:19:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER objected to  the amendment to Amendment 2                                                               
for  discussion purposes.   He  asked for  confirmation regarding                                                               
what  the amendment  proposed  by  Representative Drummond  would                                                               
amend.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH  clarified that the  discussion pertained  to the                                                               
amendment to Amendment 2.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:19:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.   ROWE  offered   her   understanding  that   [Representative                                                               
Drummond]  had  offered  an  amendment  to  HB  201  and  not  to                                                               
Amendment 2.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH indicated that is a fair assessment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:20:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTAIVE RAUSCHER stated, "Then I remove my objection."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PARISH offered  his  understanding  that the  amendment                                                               
offered by Representative Drummond would replace [Amendment 2].                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO requested the committee take an at-ease.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:20:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The  committee  took an  at-ease  from  8:20  a.m. to  8:22  a.m.                                                               
[Although the recording  clock was not stopped  during this time,                                                               
the audio was turned off for the duration of the at-ease.]                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:22:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH  explained that under the  amendment to Amendment                                                               
2,  on  page  1,  line  10,  [the  word  "human"  proposed  under                                                               
Amendment  2 would  be  deleted,  and the  word  "life" would  be                                                               
replaced by the word "persons".]   As such, he clarified that the                                                               
resulting language would read:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        A municipality may regulate trapping to protect                                                                         
     persons and property within its boundaries                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[The amendment to Amendment 2 was treated as adopted.]                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:23:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH  asked Representative  Rauscher if  he maintained                                                               
his "objection to the amendment as amended."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER, after  receiving further  clarification                                                               
about  the intent  of the  amendment to  Amendment 2,  said, "All                                                               
right, I remove my objection."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:24:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FANSLER maintained  his  objected to  Amendment 2,  [as                                                               
amended], to hear from the bill sponsor.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:24:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  said he does  not know "whether  we now                                                               
lose a  line of  cases in  statutes that use  the term  'life and                                                               
property',"  but  he  said  people are  familiar  with  the  term                                                               
"defense of  life and  property".  He  indicated that  the change                                                               
will read more  consistently on both pages of the  bill.  He said                                                               
he  thinks the  change is  probably okay,  but suggested  hearing                                                               
again from Ms. Brooking may be helpful.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:25:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PARISH asked  if  legal  standing would  be  lost as  a                                                               
result of Amendment 2, as amended.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKING  answered that  she thinks  the language  is similar                                                               
and  "the  record you  are  developing  would help  certainly  in                                                               
determining  the intent  of what  this  statute would  ultimately                                                               
mean"; however,  she does  not know  if the  change would  have a                                                               
significant impact on how the law is interpreted.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:26:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FANSLER  withdrew  his  objection to  Amendment  2,  as                                                               
amended.  There being no further objection, it was so ordered.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:27:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  moved to  adopt Amendment  3 to  HB 201,                                                               
labeled 30-LS0628\A.2, Bullard, 4/11/17, which read as follows:                                                               
                                                                                                                              
     Page 1, line 11:                                                                                                           
          Delete "regulation"                                                                                                   
     Insert "trapping ordinances"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH objected for discussion purposes.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER objected.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TALERICO   said    since   [HB   201]   pertains                                                               
specifically to  the regulation of trapping,  he thinks exempting                                                               
trappers  from   municipal  regulation,  rather  than   just  the                                                               
trapping  ordinances that  are adopted  by local  municipalities,                                                               
seems broad.   He  stated his assumption  that "we  wouldn't have                                                               
trappers come  in and say, 'Well,  I'm a trapper and  I'd like to                                                               
be exempted  from the borough's  property tax' or ...  some other                                                               
stipulation that might be within a municipality."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:28:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER requested feedback from the bill sponsor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:29:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON opined  that  the language,  as is,  is                                                               
stylistically better.   He pointed out that  the language follows                                                               
the heading of  "Regulation of trapping"; therefore,  it is clear                                                             
that the  subject is  trapping.   He indicated  that he  does not                                                               
have a  problem with Amendment  3, but finds  it to be  "a little                                                               
bit clunky."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER said he would like to hear from Ms. Brooking.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:30:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKING stated  that the change proposed  under Amendment 3,                                                               
from  "regulation"  to  "trapping   ordinances",  would  be  more                                                               
accurate.  She explained that  when a municipal government adopts                                                               
a rule  of law, it is  an ordinance.  The  code of municipalities                                                               
is considered a code of ordinances.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER asked to hear a response from the bill sponsor.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:30:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON said,  "It's almost  like asking  which                                                               
form of poetry  is your favorite."  He said  he respectfully does                                                               
not really  agree with Ms.  Brooking.  He said  local governments                                                               
will understand the term "to regulate."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:31:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND said under  Amendment 3, the Municipality                                                               
of Anchorage  would have  to have a  set of  trapping ordinances,                                                               
which she  said she  does not  think it would  do.   She surmised                                                               
that the  municipality would defer  to what the  state's trapping                                                               
regulations  already are.   She  concluded,  "What we're  talking                                                               
about  here is  ... making  municipal ordinances  that cause  the                                                               
interpretation  of  state  trapping  regulations  to  be  applied                                                               
differently  within  this  municipality.    I  don't  think  this                                                               
amendment is necessary, and I would not support it."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:32:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER  said  he appreciates  the  comments  of                                                               
[Representative  Drummond],  but  he said  he  thinks  "municipal                                                               
regulation" is  a broad term.   Further,  he said, "I  think once                                                               
this is  adopted, the  only way  a municipality  will be  able to                                                               
regulate  this  is through  ordinances  that  they will  have  to                                                               
write."  He expressed support for Amendment 3.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:34:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WESTLAKE said  the issue  is local  control.   He                                                               
said the intent should not be to  pass on the cost to boroughs to                                                               
enforce state  regulation.  He  encouraged writing  ordinances at                                                               
the local level, and he expressed support of [Amendment 3].                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:35:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER  removed his  objection to  the motion  to adopt                                                               
Amendment 3.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:35:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND maintained her objection to Amendment 3.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:35:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was  taken.  Representatives Westlake, Talerico,                                                               
Rauscher,  and Fansler  voted in  favor  of the  motion to  adopt                                                               
Amendment 3.   Representatives Drummond and  Parish voted against                                                               
it.  Therefore, Amendment 3 was adopted by a vote of 4-2.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:36:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  moved to  adopt Amendment  4 to  HB 201,                                                               
labeled 30-LS0628\A.3, Bullard, 4/11/17, which read as follows:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 4 - 5:                                                                                                       
          Delete   "persons,    property,   or   nontargeted                                                                    
     species"                                                                                                                   
     Insert "persons or property"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:36:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:36 a.m. to 8:37 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:37:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER objected to the motion to adopt Amendment 4.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  spoke to Amendment  4.  He  related that                                                               
someone he knows,  who has much experience related  to the issue,                                                               
told him  that although there may  be a targeted species  along a                                                               
trapline,  occasionally  there may  be  another  species that  is                                                               
caught in a trap, which  Representative Talerico explained is the                                                               
reason  for proposing  the removal  of the  language "nontargeted                                                               
species".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:39:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON   stated  that   he  does   not  oppose                                                               
Amendment 4.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:39:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FANSLER removed  his objection  to the  motion to                                                               
adopt Amendment 4.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER objected  for discussion  purposes.   He                                                               
noted that during  a prior bill hearing, the  committee had heard                                                               
that [the  inclusion of the  language] "nontargeted  species" was                                                               
problematic.  He expressed support for Amendment 4.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER removed  his objection  to Amendment  4.                                                               
There being no further objection, Amendment 4 was adopted.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:40:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FANSLER moved  to report  HB  201, as  amended, out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:41:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO objected  for discussion  purposes.   He                                                               
shared  that he  gets  "squishy" whenever  the legislature  makes                                                               
changes  that  affect Title  29,  because  it involves  municipal                                                               
government,  and occasionally  the legislature  has made  what it                                                               
considers to be insignificant changes  within Title 29, but those                                                               
changes   have  greatly   affected  municipalities.     He   said                                                               
municipalities  have requirements  on how  they adopt  powers and                                                               
make  ordinances, and  the changes  from  the legislature  almost                                                               
come across as  unfunded mandates.  He said he  gets nervous when                                                               
changes  are made  to Title  29, without  significant input  from                                                               
local governments.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO removed his objection.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:42:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH, for discussion  purposes, objected to the motion                                                               
to report  HB 201, as  amended, out of committee  with individual                                                               
recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:42:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WESTLAKE asked,  "Now that we've moved  it over to                                                               
ordinances rather than regulations here,  does that free you from                                                               
that trap of fiscal responsibility?"                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:42:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ROWE answered  that the  terms "regulation"  and "ordinance"                                                               
are  interchangeable.   Regulation means  "general regulation  of                                                               
... people within the municipality."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WESTLAKE clarified  that he would like  to know if                                                               
the legislature would be passing an unfunded mandate.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ROWE answered  no, because  the  proposed legislation  would                                                               
give discretionary ability to municipalities to regulate.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:43:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH noted that there  were still experts available to                                                               
answer  questions.   In response  to Representative  Rauscher, he                                                               
confirmed  that public  testimony  had been  taken  at the  prior                                                               
hearing of  HB 201 and, upon  ascertaining that there was  no one                                                               
currently  who  wished  to  testify,  he  announced  that  public                                                               
testimony would remained closed.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   RAUSCHER   expressed   concern   regarding   the                                                               
[unintended consequences of making changes to] Title 29.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:44:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  stated  that the  House  Community  and                                                               
Regional Affairs  Standing Committee is charged  with making laws                                                               
that allow municipalities to operate  more efficiently and in the                                                               
best  interest  of  their  citizens.     She  remarked  that  the                                                               
Municipality  of   Anchorage  has  41  percent   of  the  state's                                                               
population in three-tenths  of one percent of  the state's square                                                               
miles.   She  commented on  the close  quarters in  Anchorage and                                                               
said  tempers  get  frayed.    She stated  her  belief  that  the                                                               
Municipality  of   Anchorage  needs   the  flexibility   to  make                                                               
ordinances that  protect its  citizens.   She said  [the proposed                                                               
legislation] would  not require any municipality  to impact Title                                                               
29, and  she said  she trusts each  municipality will  go through                                                               
their public processes with their  elected officials.  She stated                                                               
that she  does not want  to fail to pass  this law and  then have                                                               
some child severely injured because  of a negligent trapper.  She                                                               
stated, "We  are never going  to stop  people who have  no common                                                               
sense,  but we  really do  need  to give  our municipalities  the                                                               
tools to  put the laws  in place  that will protect  their people                                                               
and their  pets.   Those are  important things  to people."   She                                                               
stated support of HB 201, [as amended].                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:46:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER said he would like  to hear from Hazel Nelson to                                                               
find  out whether  "the subsistence  modification that  we placed                                                               
through" allay "some  of the fears that she  might have presented                                                               
on Tuesday."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:47:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HAZEL   NELSON,  Director,   Division   of  Subsistence,   Alaska                                                               
Department  of Fish  &  Game (ADF&G),  said  she appreciates  the                                                               
additional  language that  has been  inserted.   She offered  her                                                               
understanding that "the amendment  that was included this morning                                                               
is  intended to  reflect current  state  law that  is similar  to                                                               
what's  found  in  [AS] 16.05.258,  that  reasonable  opportunity                                                               
would mean the same as it does in current statute."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FANSLER said it makes him  happy to know that Ms. Nelson                                                               
does  not still  have cause  for concern.   He  commented on  the                                                               
coexistence  of trapping  and trail  use in  rural areas,  and he                                                               
emphasized how  important he thinks  subsistence is.  He  said he                                                               
thinks  local  communities  can make  the  determinations  [about                                                               
issues that  affect them] better  than can  be made at  the state                                                               
level.  He expressed support of HB 201, [as amended].                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:49:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  expressed concern that under  HB 201, as                                                               
amended,  there may  be  a  scenario that  as  proposals come  to                                                               
ADF&G,   the   department   might   say,  "That's   up   to   the                                                               
municipality".   He said  if the department  does that,  it would                                                               
not  only remove  the science  and  data of  the department,  but                                                               
would  also make  the municipality  responsible for  enforcement.                                                               
He added, "But municipalities can make that decision."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PARISH  commented that  five  out  of the  six  members                                                               
currently  present on  the House  Community and  Regional Affairs                                                               
Standing Committee would be vetting  the bill again as members of                                                               
the House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:50:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  offered  his  understanding  that  the                                                               
Board  of  Game tries  to  mirror  its proposals  with  municipal                                                               
ordinance.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:50:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARISH removed his objection  to the motion to report HB
201,   as    amended,   out   of   committee    with   individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying fiscal notes.   There being                                                               
no  further objection,  CSHB  201(CRA) was  reported  out of  the                                                               
House Community and Regional Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                        

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CSSB063 Sectional Analysis Ver. N 3.29.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Explanation of Changes Ver. U to Ver. N 3.29.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Resolutions of Support 3.29.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Ver. N 3.29.2017.PDF HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Fiscal Note DCCED-AMCO 4.6.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Fiscal Note DEC-FSS 4.6.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Fiscal Note DOT-COM 4.6.2017.PDF HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Sponsor Statement 3.29.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 DPS-DET 4.6.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Fiscal Note DHSS-CDPHP 4.6.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Resolutions of Support 3.29.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Support Document - Evidence on Secondhand Smoke 3.29.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Support Letters 3.29.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Support Document - Dittman Survey 3.29.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 email opposing, amend.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
SB 63 Maniilaq 17-06 Supporting a Smokefree Alaska.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
SB 63 Electronic_Nicotine_Delivery_Systems_Key_Facts_Infographic_CDC.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
SB 63 ecigarette-secondhand-aerosol.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
SB 63 E-cigarette nicotine labels not always accurate -- ScienceDaily.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
SB 63 ASHRAE_PD_Environmental_Tobacco_Smoke_2013.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
SB 63 - States Map Smoke-Free.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
CSSB063 Resolutions of Support UPDATE 4.11.2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
SB 63 Addnl Support 4-12-2017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63
SB064 DoD 4-6-2017Addnl Comments UECA Bill.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 64
SB064 DEC response to DoD 4-6-2017 Addnl Comments.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 64
SB 63 email opposing 03302017.pdf HCRA 4/13/2017 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 4/18/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 63