Legislature(2017 - 2018)CAPITOL 106

03/05/2018 08:00 AM EDUCATION

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08:03:27 AM Start
08:04:04 AM HB221
08:37:25 AM Adjourn
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        HB 221-WORKFORCE & ED RELATED STATISTICS PROGRAM                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:04:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DRUMMOND  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO.  221, "An  Act relating to  the duties  of the                                                               
Alaska  Commission  on  Postsecondary Education;  relating  to  a                                                               
statewide  workforce  and education-related  statistics  program;                                                               
relating to information  obtained by the Department  of Labor and                                                               
Workforce Development; and providing for an effective date."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:04:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE  ASCOTT, Staff,  Representative  Harriet Drummond,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature,  presented HB 221 on  behalf of Representative                                                               
Drummond,  prime sponsor.   He  read the  first paragraph  of the                                                               
sponsor statement [included in the  committee packet], which read                                                               
as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        House Bill 221 will help Alaska prepare to best                                                                         
       allocate and utilize increasingly scarce resources                                                                       
     available  for  education  and  workforce  training  by                                                                    
     clarifying the  authority of  the Alaska  Commission on                                                                    
     Postsecondary Education  (ACPE) to receive  and analyze                                                                    
     existing data  from state entities through  a statewide                                                                    
     workforce  and  education related  statistics  program.                                                                    
     This system, currently known  as the Outcomes Database,                                                                    
     will  be  known  as  the  Statewide  Longitudinal  Data                                                                    
     System (SLDS).                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ASCOTT  next offered  a sectional  analysis [included  in the                                                               
committee packet].   Regarding Section 1, he  said currently ACPE                                                               
is  allowed  to adopt  regulations  to  administer financial  aid                                                               
programs   for   institutional    authorization   functions   and                                                               
interstate    compacts,    including     the    collection    and                                                               
confidentiality of data.   Under HB 221, new  language in Section                                                               
1   would  create   additional  authority   for  ACPE   to  adopt                                                               
regulations  relating  to the  collection  and  analysis of  K-12                                                               
data,  as  approved  by  the  Department  of  Education  &  Early                                                               
Development (EED),  under its current  authority to  collect that                                                               
information.  Further, Section 1  would add regulations for a new                                                               
purpose,  which is  the administration  of a  statewide workforce                                                               
and education-related statistics program.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ASCOTT  addressed Section  2.  He  said currently  law allows                                                               
ACPE  to  collect  data  and  share it  with  the  governor,  the                                                               
legislature, and other state and  federal agencies, but ACPE does                                                               
not  have  clear authority  to  maintain  and analyze  the  data.                                                               
Under HB 221,  Section 2 would allow ACPE to  maintain a database                                                               
for  the  purpose  of administering  a  statewide  workforce  and                                                               
education-related statistics  program and enter  into cooperative                                                               
agreements   regarding  education   and  employment   with  other                                                               
agencies.   The commission  would also  be charged  with removing                                                               
personally  identifiable information  (PII)  before putting  such                                                               
information in the  database.  Section 2 would  also specify that                                                               
PII may not be provided to the federal government.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ASCOTT  addressed   Section  3.    He   said  currently  the                                                               
Department  of  Labor  &  Workforce  Development  (DLWD)  is  not                                                               
allowed  to  share  data regarding  unemployment  insurance  with                                                               
other agencies.  Under HB 221,  Section 3 would change the law to                                                               
permit DLWD to  share such data for the purpose  of the statewide                                                               
workforce and education-related  statistics program, as permitted                                                               
in  federal regulation  and contingent  upon a  written agreement                                                               
with ACPE.   Section 4 would allow DLWD to  disclose data to ACPE                                                               
[regardless of when it was obtained].   Section 5, he said, would                                                               
provide for an immediate effective date.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:09:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE  BUTLER,  Executive   Director,  Alaska  Commission  on                                                               
Postsecondary  Education  (ACPE),  Department  of  Education  and                                                               
Early   Development   (EED),   offered   background   information                                                               
regarding ACPE.   She  said the  mission of  ACPE is  "to provide                                                               
Alaska's citizens with tools and  resources to gain access to and                                                               
to  experience  success  in  higher education."    To  meet  that                                                               
mission, ACPE  manages the  Alaska Performance  Scholarship (APS)                                                               
and the Alaska Education Grant  (AEG) programs, offering low-cost                                                               
student loans and  providing a number of planning  programs.  She                                                               
continued as follows:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     But  are  these the  most  effective  ways to  increase                                                                    
     access  and   success?    In  this   time  of  severely                                                                    
     constrained resources, are  we using those increasingly                                                                    
     limited resources in ways that  produce the best return                                                                    
     for our students and the  Alaska public, to whom we are                                                                    
     responsible?    What is  the  return  on investment  in                                                                    
     programs like the  APS and AEG?  Or how  'bout that old                                                                    
     one:  loan forgiveness?   The things that we can easily                                                                    
     measure, like  the number  of program  participants, or                                                                    
     even the  number of  program completers,  cannot answer                                                                    
     that return on public investment question.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     To answer  that [return on investment]  (ROI) question,                                                                    
     we  need   to  know   the  long-term   outcomes  across                                                                    
     different public  sectors.  For example,  Alaska spends                                                                    
     approximately  $5  million  annually  on  Alaska  Grant                                                                    
     Program  awards.    Do recipients  graduate  at  higher                                                                    
     rates  than  non-recipients?   Does  the  program  help                                                                    
     recipients  enter the  workforce sooner  than similarly                                                                    
     situated non-recipients?   Do they earn  more once they                                                                    
     reach the workforce?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER returned  to the  subject of  forgivable loans.   She                                                               
said if there  had been a cross-sector database  back [when these                                                               
loans  were given],  then  it  would be  possible  to figure  out                                                               
whether  the students  who took  the  forgivable loans  completed                                                               
their degrees and  returned to Alaska at rates  higher than other                                                               
students and whether  those students worked in Alaska.   She said                                                               
the question is  whether money is being spent in  smart ways that                                                               
make  the  most  difference  for  students  and  for  the  Alaska                                                               
economy.   She related that  the university and EED  indicate the                                                               
desire to answer similar questions about their programs.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:11:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The challenge  to answering questions like  this is not                                                                    
     that  we don't  have the  data.   We do  have it.   The                                                                    
     challenge  is  that the  data  is  currently housed  in                                                                    
     separate transactional databases.   Each time we have a                                                                    
     question like  this, about long-term outcomes,  we have                                                                    
     to  put   together  a   data  sharing   [memorandum  of                                                                    
     understanding]  (MOU), extract  the relevant  data from                                                                    
     our various  systems, match it,  link it, and  then get                                                                    
     answers  to  our questions.    And  in accordance  with                                                                    
     federal  law,  once  we  have   those  answers  to  our                                                                    
     questions,  we  have  to destroy  the  linked  data  to                                                                    
     protect individual  privacy, which  means if we  have a                                                                    
     follow-up question, we have to  start the whole process                                                                    
     again.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER said  HB 221 would streamline the  process by allowing                                                               
DLWD to  share unit  level employment and  wage records  with the                                                               
outcomes database, which  is currently housed at ACPE.   She said                                                               
the database houses linked information  from ACPE, the University                                                               
of Alaska  (UA), EED,  and DLWD; however,  currently it  "is only                                                               
training in  [general educational  development] (GED)  data" from                                                               
DLWD.   Under HB  221, the database  would also  house employment                                                               
and  wage record  data "to  know workforce  outcomes."   She said                                                               
once the  date is  linked, PII  would be  stripped off  and never                                                               
stored  with the  linked data.   She  said the  outcomes database                                                               
offers a faster, more cost-efficient  to do longitudinal outcomes                                                               
assessments  by minimizing  the proliferation  of PII.   Further,                                                               
the database allows  the retention of data that can  then be used                                                               
to  respond to  follow-up  questions or  to "efficiently  perform                                                               
future analyses."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER said  Alaska currently  spends more  than $2  billion                                                               
annually on  K-12, postsecondary, and workforce  training, but it                                                               
does  not  currently  have  a database  that  can  fully  provide                                                               
efficient,   cost-effective,   and   secure   feedback   to   the                                                               
legislature and administration regarding  the value received from                                                               
those  public investments.   She  said HB  221 would  enhance the                                                               
state's  ability to  provide the  feedback in  several ways.   It                                                               
would allow DLWD  to provide unit-level employment  and wage data                                                               
to  the outcomes  database for  longitudinal  analysis, which  is                                                               
something 28 states already do;  it would prohibit the sharing of                                                               
any unit-level data  from the outcomes database  with the federal                                                               
government;  it  codifies  in  law  that  the  database  must  be                                                               
deidentified  and clarifies  what  that means;  and it  clarifies                                                               
ACPE's authority to maintain longitudinal data.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:14:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER  stated  that  the  proposed  legislation  would  not                                                               
"commit any  funding for these  purposes" but "simply  allows for                                                               
the inclusion of  this important additional data  in the outcomes                                                               
longitudinal database,"  which was  created a  few years  ago via                                                               
federal grant.   She continued  as follows  [original punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Specific to funding, it's our  intent to seek resources                                                                    
     potentially  through another  federal grant  to provide                                                                    
     outcomes   reports  once   this   additional  data   is                                                                    
     available in  the outcomes database.   In this  time of                                                                    
     such   severely  constrained   resources,  we   believe                                                                    
     there's  a  significant  opportunity to  attract  grant                                                                    
     dollars to  the project, recognizing that  tough budget                                                                    
     times  makes  it even  more  important  than ever  that                                                                    
     policy makers  be able to access  the cross-sector data                                                                    
     needed  to look  at  what happens  to  students in  our                                                                    
     education  and in  our workforce  pipeline and  to what                                                                    
     extent  they  either enter  or  advance  in the  Alaska                                                                    
     workforce  and contribute  to the  Alaska economy  over                                                                    
     the long term.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER said she doesn't want  to give the committee the wrong                                                               
impression that  ACPE would be  able to immediately  produce lots                                                               
of reports and outcomes analyses  upon passage of HB 221; funding                                                               
would  be  required  to  use   the  data  and  do  the  analyses.                                                               
Nevertheless, she  emphasized that  HB 221 would  "get us  a step                                                               
closer"  -  an  important  step  at  no  additional  cost  toward                                                               
providing the aforementioned outcomes  and analyses.  One example                                                               
of an outcome would be the  annual APS outcomes report, which was                                                               
required under law when APS was  created.  It is a time-consuming                                                               
and costly  report, but  is part  of the budget  each year.   She                                                               
said the  long-term goal  is to  be able to  have the  ability to                                                               
quickly, easily,  and inexpensively produce reports  like the APS                                                               
outcomes  report  to  look at  other  programs,  including  K-12,                                                               
collegiate,  and career  education and  training -  not just  the                                                               
cost of the program, but also  the return of the cost investment.                                                               
Ms. Butler  noted that  included in  the information  provided by                                                               
Mr. Ascott is  a list of links to reports  from other states that                                                               
give  examples of  the  types  of outcomes  reports  that can  be                                                               
created using cross-sector information.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:16:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSTON pointed  out that there is  a zero fiscal                                                               
note attached to HB  221.  She asked if there would  be a cost to                                                               
redacting individuals.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  answered that  there is  a cost to  doing that.   She                                                               
said  under the  federal  grant  received a  few  years ago,  the                                                               
database was  created, which included  the process  for redacting                                                               
the  information and  the process  for  accepting the  unit-level                                                               
DLWD  information;  however,  state   law  prohibited  DLWD  from                                                               
sharing that data with other state agencies.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:17:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSTON, in  terms  of  further federal  grants,                                                               
asked Ms.  Butler if  she is considering  the savings  in reports                                                               
[predicted as a result of HB 221].                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER answered,  "What we're  hoping  to get  is a  federal                                                               
grant from  the Institute of  Educational Sciences that  does not                                                               
require matching funds.  But in  the event that we were to secure                                                               
a grant  that did  require matching funds,  some of  the existing                                                               
reporting that  we do in the  old-fashioned way, such as  the APS                                                               
report - those costs could be used for match."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSTON  asked what  Ms. Butler would  be looking                                                               
for from the federal grant.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  replied that the  Institute of  Educational Sciences,                                                               
which provided  the first grant,  encouraged ACPE to apply  for a                                                               
second grant to  use the data created in the  databases under the                                                               
first grant.   She said, "Our  goal would be to  produce a number                                                               
of  key,  ...  valuable  reports  for  legislators  and  for  the                                                               
administration  and then  to seek  further  funding beyond  that,                                                               
based on ... the value of those reports."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSTON asked for  confirmation that what ACPE is                                                               
seeking in the grant is how best to use the data.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  clarified, "The ability  to demonstrate  how valuable                                                               
the data is when it's applied in analyzing outcomes."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:19:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DRUMMOND  asked how the  unemployment insurance  data would                                                               
be utilized  under HB 221,  considering that such  insurance data                                                               
is confidential.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER offered  an example wherein ACPE would be  able to see                                                               
who  participated  in  the education  grant  and  then  determine                                                               
whether those  in the workforce  that completed the  program were                                                               
earning  wages  at  a  rate  different from  those  who  did  not                                                               
complete  the program.   She  said this  would always  be at  the                                                               
aggregate   level;  therefore,   ACPE  would   not  be   tracking                                                               
individuals, but would be tracking the outcomes of the programs.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DRUMMOND asked for confirmation  that currently ACPE is not                                                               
allowed to get that wage information from DLWD.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER confirmed that is correct.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:20:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH  indicated that a handout  in the committee                                                               
packet   entitled,   "Snapshot:   Statewide   Longitudinal   Data                                                               
Systems," which shows that 50  states have the ability to connect                                                               
between systems,  while 47 states  and Washington,  D.C., receive                                                               
federal  statewide   longitudinal  data   systems  grants.     He                                                               
remarked, "I  like our odds  of ... getting  a grant."   He asked                                                               
what a "P20W" system is.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER answered  that "P20" means preschool  through grade 20                                                               
or college completion.   In response to Chair  Drummond, she said                                                               
the "W" stands for workforce.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:21:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DRUMMOND  directed attention  to  a  [questions &  answers                                                               
(Q&A)]  document  in  the   committee  packet  entitled,  "Alaska                                                               
Education and Workforce Outcomes  Data System (Outcomes Database)                                                               
February 2018."  She asked what Administrative Order 261 meant.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  answered that Administrative  Order 261 (AO  261) was                                                               
issued by former  Governor Sean Parnell directing  the ACPE, EED,                                                               
DLWD, and  UA to share data  to the extent allowed  under law for                                                               
the purpose  of performing  outcomes analyses.   She said  AO 261                                                               
also created  a governance  body consisting  of the  president of                                                               
the university, commissioners of EED  and DLWD, and the executive                                                               
director of  ACPE, to ensure  that the  data in the  database was                                                               
used appropriately and cost efficiently.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DRUMMOND  concluded,  "And  so, the  data  that  currently                                                               
exists in the database, that  ACPE is keeping warm, was collected                                                               
and first put in the database under Administrative Order 261."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER answered that is correct.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DRUMMOND stated  her assumption that "according  to ... the                                                               
snapshot, ...  this system  was created  by executive  order, and                                                               
... now we're seeking to modify it legislatively."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER answered that is correct.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:23:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH referred  to  an ensuing  sentence in  the                                                               
aforementioned  Q&A  handout,  which read  as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     However, a 2016 amendment  to the budget bill prevented                                                                    
     use  of federal  receipts  for ANSWERS  in FY17,  which                                                                    
     resulted in a  lack of funding to  develop the proposed                                                                    
     ANSWERS program and use the  database created under the                                                                    
     original grant.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH asked  what  the reason  was for  "turning                                                               
down federal money."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER explained that at that  time, ACPE was going to seek a                                                               
federal  grant  in order  to  use  the  data, and  concerns  were                                                               
expressed  by the  legislator who  introduced the  amendment that                                                               
the protection of individual student data was in question.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH asked Ms. Butler to speak to that concern.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER responded,  "We believe that the data  in the outcomes                                                               
database is extraordinarily secure."   She explained that the PII                                                               
is  stripped  before  the  linked  data is  loaded;  it  is  also                                                               
encrypted  once it  is loaded  and stored  in the  state's secure                                                               
data center, where most of the  transactional data on which it is                                                               
based is already stored.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:25:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DRUMMOND concluded that the  PII, even though stored in the                                                               
same vicinity  as the transactional  data, cannot  be "relinked,"                                                               
because the individual identifiers have been stripped away.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  answered that  is correct.   She  added that  care is                                                               
taken to ensure that "they are  stored on separate servers."  She                                                               
said, "The design of the  process was specifically to inhibit the                                                               
ability to relink."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DRUMMOND  asked how  the  outcomes  database would  remain                                                               
relevant  in the  future if  it is  not currently  collecting new                                                               
data.  She asked  if someday it would collect new  data to add to                                                               
that which had already been gathered.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER   answered  that  ACPE   is  able  to   "do  lookback                                                               
information" using the existing data.   She said school districts                                                               
have expressed interest  in looking at graduates  from a specific                                                               
district four  to six  years later to  see where  those graduates                                                               
are in terms of higher education  and career preparation.  To the                                                               
second part  of Chair Drummond's  question, she said the  goal is                                                               
for ACPE to provide grant  resources to the partners that provide                                                               
data to the  outcomes database, so they are able  to update their                                                               
data on a regular basis.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DRUMMOND surmised,  "You still  have district-level  data.                                                               
So,  you can  say ...  the  Fairbanks North  Star Borough  School                                                               
District  data is  identifiable,  but not  to  the individual  or                                                               
school level."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  responded that  is correct.   She  added that  a good                                                               
example  of reporting  at the  district  level would  be the  APS                                                               
outcomes report.   She stated, "If you looked at  that and looked                                                               
at the  reports by district,  you probably noticed, and  may have                                                               
experienced  some frustration,  that  [for] some  of the  smaller                                                               
districts,  all of  the information  is asterisked  out.   So, if                                                               
we're reporting at a level where  the number of individuals is so                                                               
small ...  that an  individual in  that district  may be  able to                                                               
figure  out   who  it   is,  [then]   that  information   is  not                                                               
reportable."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DRUMMOND  offered the same  problem existed in  relation to                                                               
No Child Left Behind data.   She thanked the presenters and noted                                                               
that she  would likely have  more questions during  future public                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:28:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DRUMMOND  announced  the   committee  would  hear  invited                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:29:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUG WALRATH, Director, Northwestern  Alaska Career and Technical                                                               
Center  (NACTEC),  relayed that  NACTEC  is  a regional  training                                                               
center, with  the primary student  population served from  the 15                                                               
villages of  the Bering Strait School  District surrounding Nome,                                                               
as well as Nome public schools.   He said NACTEC delivers over 25                                                               
unique vocational  training programs annually in  a variable term                                                               
format  for  communities that  would  otherwise  be without  such                                                               
short-duration, intensive format programs.   Mr. Walrath said his                                                               
testimony  would   cover  the   administration  of   a  statewide                                                               
workforce   and  education-related   statistics   program.     He                                                               
continued as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     As  a regional  training center,  it's not  uncommon to                                                                    
     report  on  placement  into  employment,  with  outcome                                                                    
     measures  7  to  12  months following  training.    For                                                                    
     programs serving  primarily high school  students, such                                                                    
     measures neglect to account for  the impact of training                                                                    
     and  keeping  students  engaged  and  in  school.    75                                                                    
     percent  to  80 percent  of  our  high school  training                                                                    
     population annually  is enrolled  in the  ninth, tenth,                                                                    
     and  eleventh grades.    Employment  measures seven  to                                                                    
     twelve  months   after  training   can  unintentionally                                                                    
     disregard three-quarters  of a training  population and                                                                    
     present  a  skewed view  of  the  success of  training.                                                                    
     Across  rural  Alaska,  dropout  rates  tend  to  track                                                                    
     disproportionately  higher,  just as  graduation  rates                                                                    
     tend to  track disproportionately lower.   A measure of                                                                    
     persistence would  shed light on the  value of programs                                                                    
     that  are keeping  students engaged  and on  a path  to                                                                    
     graduation.   HB  221 presents  a tool  for measurement                                                                    
     purposes  through  the  K-12 years,  tracking  to  both                                                                    
     secondary and  thereafter employment.  Now,  this would                                                                    
     be of  value to  determine how  a coherent  sequence of                                                                    
     vocational  courses can  begin,  as we  do  here, at  a                                                                    
     junior   high  core   exploration  level,   leading  to                                                                    
     certificated  career immersion  courses by  the twelfth                                                                    
     grade leading  either directly into employment  or as a                                                                    
     linkage to postsecondary continuation.   Here at NACTEC                                                                    
     we would  find value  in longitudinal measures  that HB
     221 would present the opportunity  to capture.  For the                                                                    
     purpose  of student  protection, a  tool that  protects                                                                    
     personally   identifiable   information   while   using                                                                    
     aggregate comparisons would certainly  be of value.  HB
     221  proposes  to do  this  and  could provide  outcome                                                                    
     measures of  enhanced value over some  of the currently                                                                    
     applied outcome measures.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALRATH related that NACTEC  has served students for 15 years                                                               
and would find it valuable to  know the impact of training on the                                                               
students it trains in the region.   He further suggested it would                                                               
be valuable for the state to  know the impact of training centers                                                               
in other regions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:32:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DRUMMOND recalled that Mr.  Walrath had, a year ago, talked                                                               
about the importance  of longitudinal data systems  to track what                                                               
students are  doing.  She asked  how NACTEC would be  impacted by                                                               
the  size  of student  populations,  for  example when  data  for                                                               
groups of five students appears  as asterisks.  She asked, "Would                                                               
your students  be able to be  grouped ... across the  villages in                                                               
groups of  more than five, so  that you could actually  track the                                                               
data for that particular program?"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALRATH  answered, "I  believe  it  could  be used  in  many                                                               
different ways."   He said he often gets asked  questions about a                                                               
select training  program.   He related  that the  Nurse Assistant                                                               
Program  population is  probably the  smallest of  any, with  the                                                               
entire class of twelfth graders  and adults totaling six, and the                                                               
student population  of just three.   He said a  one-year snapshot                                                               
is not  as accurate as looking  at the trend over  several years.                                                               
He said  the data he  tracks "could  pull the amount  of trainees                                                               
per village."   He  added, "But  I guess it  would all  depend on                                                               
what  that measure  is,  if  it's looking  at  a select  training                                                               
program  or  a  track  or  just  an  aggregate  of  students  per                                                               
community.   But ... for the  most part, I would  think that most                                                               
measures would be above that number of five."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DRUMMOND  surmised  that  tracking data  must  take  up  a                                                               
significant portion of Mr. Walrath's time.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALRATH responded that it is  part of NACTEC's process to use                                                               
a  FileMaker Pro  database to  track students.   The  information                                                               
begins  with  the  entrance  of junior  high  students  into  the                                                               
program, and  to that  is added  training programs  completed and                                                               
certificates earned.  For example,  the database can track when a                                                               
student gets his/her state identification,  followed by a permit,                                                               
followed by a license.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DRUMMOND thanked Mr. Walrath for his testimony.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:37:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DRUMMOND announced that HB 221 was held over.                                                                             

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 221 Sectional.pdf HEDC 3/5/2018 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB 221 ACPE Letter of Support 03.02.2018.pdf HEDC 3/5/2018 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB 221 Short Q&A.pdf HEDC 3/5/2018 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB 221 SLDS_infographic.pdf HEDC 3/5/2018 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB 221 Sponsor Statement.pdf HEDC 3/5/2018 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB 221 Ver A.PDF HEDC 3/5/2018 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB 221 Wage Data Bullet Points.pdf HEDC 3/5/2018 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB 221-DOLWD-UI-02-02-18.pdf HEDC 3/5/2018 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB 221-EED-ACPE-2-2-18.pdf HEDC 3/5/2018 8:00:00 AM
HB 221