Legislature(2017 - 2018)ADAMS ROOM 519

04/02/2018 01:30 PM FINANCE

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HOUSE BILL NO. 221                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An   Act  relating   to  the   duties   of  the   Alaska                                                                  
     Commission  on  Postsecondary  Education;  relating to  a                                                                  
     statewide  workforce  and  education-related   statistics                                                                  
     program;   relating  to  information   obtained   by  the                                                                  
     Department  of  Labor  and  Workforce   Development;  and                                                                  
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:41:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    HARRIET   DRUMMOND,   SPONSOR,    introduced                                                                  
herself. She read from a prepared statement:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you, Finance Committee Co-Chairs, members of the                                                                     
     House Finance Committee                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     For  the record, my  name is Harriet  Drummond, Chair  of                                                                  
     the  House  Education  Committee,  and  with  me  are  my                                                                  
     aide,  George  Ascott, and  Stephanie  Butler,  Executive                                                                  
     Director  of  the  Alaska  Commission   on  Postsecondary                                                                  
     Education.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     I  am  honored to  sponsor  HB  221  as part  of  ongoing                                                                  
     efforts  in the legislature  to take  a detailed  look at                                                                  
     ways  to  improve  how  we  as a  state  spend  money  on                                                                  
     education and job training in Alaska.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     HB 221  will help  the Legislature  to best allocate  and                                                                  
     utilize  increasingly   scarce  resources  available  for                                                                  
     education  and  workforce   training  by  clarifying  the                                                                  
     authority  of  the  Alaska  Commission  on  Postsecondary                                                                  
     Education  (ACPE) to  receive and  analyze existing  data                                                                  
     from  state entities  through a  statewide workforce  and                                                                  
     education related statistics program.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     HB  221 also  changes the  law to  permit the  Department                                                                  
     of   Labor    and   Workforce   Development    to   share                                                                  
     Unemployment  Insurance  data  for  the purposes  of  the                                                                  
     statistics    program,    as   permitted    in    federal                                                                  
     regulation,  and  contingent  upon  a  written  agreement                                                                  
     with ACPE.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     HB 221  is not at all about  tracking or collecting  data                                                                  
     on  individuals.  It is  about statistical  outcomes.  It                                                                  
     is about  taking a  bird's eye view  of spending  results                                                                  
     based  on  analyzing  and  aggregating  data  we  already                                                                  
     have to create outcomes statistics.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     HB 221 will help policy makers in the following ways:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          It provides a more secure method to transport                                                                         
          data between agencies                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          It lowers costs to access and analyze information                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          It combines multiple processes into a highly                                                                          
          secure, automated, and cost-effective process                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          It provides greater access to longitudinal                                                                            
          information                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          It reduces the time and cost required to perform                                                                      
          program outcomes reporting                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska   spends  more   than  $2   billion  annually   on                                                                  
     education  and workforce  training,  but we  do not  know                                                                  
     which  programs  produce trained  Alaskans  who are  more                                                                  
     like  to   remain  in  Alaska   and  contribute   to  our                                                                  
     economy.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     What   is   the  return   we   receive  on   these   huge                                                                  
     investments?                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     HB  221 will  allow  for more  meaningful  assessment  of                                                                  
     program  outcomes  across K-12,  postsecondary  programs,                                                                  
     and into the workforce.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     And it has no additional cost to the state.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I would  note that  we will have  invited testimony  from                                                                  
     Stephanie  Butler,  Executive   Director  of  the  Alaska                                                                  
     Commission   on   Postsecondary   Education,   who   will                                                                  
     provide  more  detailed technical  information  about  HB
     221.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     At  this time,  if  it pleases  the committee,  my  aide,                                                                  
     George  Ascott will  provide a  brief sectional  analysis                                                                  
     of the bill.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:44:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE ASCOTT, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE HARRIET DRUMMOND,                                                                          
introduced himself and read the sectional Analysis:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Hello  and  good  afternoon  Chairs  Seaton  and  Foster,                                                                  
     members of the House Finance Committee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     For  the  record, my  name  is George  Ascott,  staff  to                                                                  
     Representative  Harriet  Drummond. I  am here to  provide                                                                  
     a  brief  sectional  analysis  to  describe  what  actual                                                                  
     changes will occur to state law under HB 221.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     If you  take a look  at the bill  you will notice  it has                                                                  
     five sections.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  first  section  of  the  bill   is  mostly  existing                                                                  
     statute and goes to the beginning of the third page.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Under   existing  law,  the  Alaska   Commission  on                                                                  
          Postsecondary   Education   is   allowed  to   adopt                                                                  
          regulations  to administer  financial aid  programs,                                                                  
          institutional     authorization    functions,    and                                                                  
          interstate    compacts   -   which    includes   the                                                                  
           collection and confidentiality of data.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          HB   221  creates  additional   authority   for  the                                                                  
          Commission to adopt regulations. These are:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Regulations   relating   to   the   collection   and                                                                  
          analysis   of  K-12   data,  as   approved  by   the                                                                  
          Department   of Education   and  Early  Development,                                                                  
          under   its  current   authority  to  collect   that                                                                  
          information (Page 2, Line 2)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          AND  regulations  for a new  purpose:  Administering                                                                  
          a   statewide   workforce  and   education   related                                                                  
          statistics program (Page 3, Line 4)                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2: (All new statutory language)                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Beginning  Page   3,  line  6  -  is  all  new  statutory                                                                  
     language.  Currently  the law  allows  the Commission  to                                                                  
     collect  data  and  share   it  with  the  governor,  the                                                                  
     legislature  and other  state and  federal agencies,  but                                                                  
     they   don't  have  clear   authority  to  maintain   and                                                                  
     analyze the data.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2 of  HB 221  changes  the law  by adding  three                                                                  
     new subsections so that:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          (b)  The  commission  can maintain  a  database  for                                                                  
          the   purposes   of   administering    a   statewide                                                                  
          workforce    and   education   related    statistics                                                                  
          program   and  enter  into  cooperative   agreements                                                                  
          regarding  education   and  employment,  with  other                                                                  
          agencies                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          (c)   The   Commission   is   required   to   remove                                                                  
          personally  identifiable  information  before it  is                                                                  
          entered  into the database,  and it may not  provide                                                                  
          personally    identifiable   information    to   the                                                                  
          Federal Government                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          (d) A "unit record" is defined as information                                                                         
          pertaining to an individual                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3: (All new statutory language)                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Currently   the   Department   of   Labor   &   Workforce                                                                  
     Development  is  not  allowed  to  share  data  regarding                                                                  
     unemployment insurance with other agencies.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Beginning  on page 3 line  22, Section 3 changes  the law                                                                  
     to  permit   the  Department   of  Labor  and   Workforce                                                                  
     Development  to share such data  for the purposes  of the                                                                  
     statewide  workforce  and  education  related  statistics                                                                  
     program,   as  permitted   in  federal  regulation,   and                                                                  
     contingent upon a written agreement with ACPE                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Beginning  on page four, line  five. This makes  it clear                                                                  
     that the  department of  Labor and workforce  development                                                                  
     can  share data  obtained  before the  effective date  of                                                                  
     HB 221.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The section is just an immediate effective date.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     With   that,  I  will   turn  the   microphone  over   to                                                                  
     Stephanie  Butler,  Executive  Director  of  ACPE.  Thank                                                                  
     you, Representatives  Seaton  and Foster, members  of the                                                                  
     committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:48:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE BUTLER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ALASKA COMMISSION ON                                                                      
POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY                                                                      
DEVELOPMENT, read a prepared statement:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you, Mr. Chair, Mr. Ascott.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     For  the  record, this  is  Stephanie  Butler,  Executive                                                                  
     Director  at  ACPE. With  me  in  the audience  is  Kerry                                                                  
     Thomas, Operations Director at ACPE.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Some   very  brief   background   information:  ACPE   is                                                                  
     charged  with  providing  Alaska's  citizens  with  tools                                                                  
     and  resources  to  access  and   experience  success  in                                                                  
     college  and  career   training.  Some  of  the  ways  we                                                                  
     accomplish  that are by  managing the Alaska  Performance                                                                  
     Scholarship  and  Alaska Education  Grant  programs  (APS                                                                  
     and AEG),  offering low-cost  student loans, among  other                                                                  
     activities.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     But  are  these  the  most  effective  ways  to  increase                                                                  
     access   and   success?   In  this   time   of   severely                                                                  
     constrained   resources,   are  we   using  the   state's                                                                  
     increasingly  limited  resources  in  ways  that  produce                                                                  
     the  best return  for  our students  and  for the  Alaska                                                                  
     public to whom we are responsible?                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     What  is the return  on investment  in programs like  the                                                                  
     APS and the AEG?                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The  things that we  can currently  easily measure,  like                                                                  
     the number  of program participants  or even the  numbers                                                                  
     of  program  completers,  cannot  answer that  return  on                                                                  
     the  public  investment  question.  To  answer  that  ROI                                                                  
     question,   we  need  to  know  the  long-term   outcomes                                                                  
     across different public sectors, such as:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska  spends approximately  $5 million annually  on the                                                                  
     Alaska  Education Grant program.  Do recipients  graduate                                                                  
     at  higher  rates  than  non-recipients?   Does  it  help                                                                  
     recipients  enter  the workforce  sooner  than  similarly                                                                  
     situated non-recipients? Do they earn more?                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Or  earlier  in  this  session  we  had  questions  about                                                                  
     whether  loan  forgiveness   was  successful,  given  the                                                                  
     costs  of  that forgiveness.  If  we had  a  cross-sector                                                                  
     outcomes   database  back  then,   we  could   know:  Did                                                                  
     students   who  took  forgivable  loans   complete  their                                                                  
     degrees  and  return  to  Alaska  at  rates  higher  than                                                                  
     other  students? And  did they work  in Alaska? Did  they                                                                  
     stay in Alaska at higher rates than others?                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     In other  words, are  we spending  public money in  smart                                                                  
     ways  that make  the most  difference  for students,  and                                                                  
     for  the   Alaska  economy?   The  University   and  DEED                                                                  
     indicate  they  want to  answer similar  questions  about                                                                  
     their programs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The  challenge to  answering questions  like this  is not                                                                  
     that  we  don't  have  the  data:  we  do  have  it.  The                                                                  
     challenge  is  that  the  data  is  currently  housed  in                                                                  
     separate  transactional  databases. Each  time we have  a                                                                  
     question  like this, about  long-term outcomes,  agencies                                                                  
     have  to put  together a  data-sharing  MOU, extract  the                                                                  
     relevant  data from  our various  systems,  match it  and                                                                  
     link it  up, and then get  the answers to the  questions.                                                                  
     And in  accordance with federal  law, once we  have those                                                                  
     answers  to  our  questions,   we  have  to  destroy  the                                                                  
     linked  data to protect  individual privacy, which  means                                                                  
     if  we have  a follow-up  question,  the  process has  to                                                                  
     start  again.   This  process  can  be  inefficient   and                                                                  
     expensive,  and it can  result in  the need to  duplicate                                                                  
     identifiable citizen data.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     HB  221   streamlines  this   process  by  allowing   the                                                                  
     Department  of Labor to  share unit-level employment  and                                                                  
     wage  records  with  the  Outcomes   database,  which  is                                                                  
     maintained  by ACPE.  This database  securely houses  de-                                                                  
     identified  linked statistics  from ACPE,  from UA,  from                                                                  
     DEED,  and from Labor,  but right  now only training  and                                                                  
     GED  data form Labor.  With HB 221,  it would also  house                                                                  
     the  employment  and wage  record statistics.  Once  data                                                                  
     is  linked,  personally  identifiable  information  (PII)                                                                  
     is stripped  off, and that  PII is never stored  with the                                                                  
     resulting statistics.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     What  this  Outcomes  database  offers  us is  a  faster,                                                                  
     more  cost-efficient  way  to  do  longitudinal  outcomes                                                                  
     assessments,   and   a  key   part  of   doing  this   is                                                                  
     minimizing     the    proliferation     of     personally                                                                  
     identifiable  data.  Also,  it allows  us  to retain  the                                                                  
     de-identified  linked statistics,  so  we can respond  to                                                                  
     follow-up   questions  or   efficiently  perform   future                                                                  
     analyses.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     As previously  noted, Alaska  currently spends  more than                                                                  
     $2    billion    dollars    annually   on    our    K-12,                                                                  
     postsecondary,  and  technical/workforce   training,  but                                                                  
     we  don't  currently  have  a  database  that  can  fully                                                                  
     provide    efficient,    cost-effective     and    secure                                                                  
     statistics  to  the Legislature  and  the  Administration                                                                  
     on the value received from these public investments.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     HB  221  enhances   Alaska's  ability  to   provide  that                                                                  
     feedback in several ways:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          It  allows  the  Department   of  Labor  to  provide                                                                  
          unit-level   employment   and  wage   data  to   the                                                                  
          Outcomes   database   for   longitudinal   analysis,                                                                  
          something 28 other states already do,                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          It  prohibits sharing  of any  unit-level data  from                                                                  
          the    Outcomes    database    with   the    federal                                                                  
          government,                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          It  codifies in law that  data in the database  must                                                                  
          be  de-identified  and  sets  out what  that  means,                                                                  
          and                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          It   clarifies   ACPE's    authority   to   maintain                                                                  
           longitudinal statistics of this nature.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     HB 221  does not commit  any funding for these  purposes;                                                                  
     it  just allows  for the  inclusion  of these  additional                                                                  
     statistics   in  the  Outcomes   longitudinal   database,                                                                  
     which  was  created  a  few years  ago  under  a  federal                                                                  
     grant.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Specific  to funding,  you will note  that this bill  has                                                                  
     a zero  fiscal note.  The Outcomes  database was  created                                                                  
     to accept  the workforce  data, so  there is no  new cost                                                                  
     there.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Longer  term,  it  is  our  intent   to  seek  resources,                                                                  
     potentially  through  another federal  grant, to  provide                                                                  
     outcomes  reports once  these additional  statistics  are                                                                  
     available  in  the Outcomes  database.  In  this time  of                                                                  
     such  severely constrained  resources,  we believe  there                                                                  
     is significant  opportunity to  attract grant dollars  to                                                                  
     this project,  recognizing that  tough budget times  make                                                                  
     it even  more important than  ever that policy-makers  be                                                                  
     able  to access  the  cross-sector statistics  needed  to                                                                  
     be able to evaluate program outcomes.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     I  would also like  to be  clear for  the record that  we                                                                  
     do  not  anticipate that  we  would  be able  to  produce                                                                  
     these  reports  and outcomes  analyses  immediately  upon                                                                  
     passage  of HB  221 since  we would need  funding to  use                                                                  
     the  data and  do those  analyses; however,  HB 221  does                                                                  
     get  us a step  closer    a very  important step  closer,                                                                  
     and  a step without  additional cost    to being  able to                                                                  
     provide  you with  those kinds of  outcomes analyses,  as                                                                  
     we seek grant or other funds.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     In summary,  the long-term  goal is  to have the  ability                                                                  
     to  quickly  and easily     and inexpensively     produce                                                                  
     reports  like  the APS  outcomes report  to  look at  the                                                                  
     outcomes  of other  programs,  K-12 programs  as well  as                                                                  
     collegiate  and  career  training  programs  and  provide                                                                  
     you with  the information to  know not just how  much the                                                                  
     program  costs,  but  what the  return  is on  that  cost                                                                  
     investment.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Thank   you  for   this  opportunity   to  present   this                                                                  
     information.  I hope  it has  been useful  to you,  and I                                                                  
     would be happy to respond to any questions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:55:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster asked about additional testifiers.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler  responded   that  she  would  engage   additional                                                                  
testifiers  if   there  were  technical  questions   from  the                                                                  
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Gara  liked  the  bill.   He  had  a   couple  of                                                                  
concerns.  He wanted to  make sure the  data was not  misused.                                                                  
He  relayed  that  folks  from  broken  homes  tended  to  get                                                                  
financial  aid   or  needs-based  loans  and   suggested  that                                                                  
first-generation  college students  were not as successful  as                                                                  
those  students whose  parents  had gone  to  college. He  was                                                                  
concerned  that the statistics  would be  used in a way  where                                                                  
it  was   determined   that  students   with  less   resources                                                                  
wouldn't  get help  after  not  doing as  well  as those  from                                                                  
traditionally college-bound homes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler  responded stated  that  the  statistical  process                                                                  
compared  "apples   to  apples,"   and  compared  high   needs                                                                  
students with other high-needs students in the program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Gara   appreciated   Ms.  Butler's   answer.   He                                                                  
provided  a hypothetical  scenario, and  considered the  lower                                                                  
wages  for  those  pursuing  careers  in writing  or  art.  He                                                                  
wondered  about  the intrinsic  value  in education  that  was                                                                  
not  related  to  money  and  wages.  He  reiterated  that  he                                                                  
wanted to make sure the data was not misused.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler anticipated  the comparison  of  groups at  fairly                                                                  
high levels,  looking at college  graduates compared  to other                                                                  
college  graduates. She  pondered that  the more granular  the                                                                  
data  was at  the college  major level;  the  better the  data                                                                  
would  show  greater  earning power  of  certain  majors.  She                                                                  
stated  it would  be difficult  to not  consider the  question                                                                  
of one's college major being a personal choice.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson  had talked  with  several people  in                                                                  
labor  and   carpentry  jobs  from   his  district   over  the                                                                  
previous  weekend.  He  was  curious   about  the  numbers  of                                                                  
people  in  the state  that  graduated  from  colleges  versus                                                                  
technical schools  and apprenticeship  programs. He  noted the                                                                  
wage  differences for  various pathways.  He  wondered how  to                                                                  
encourage more  kids to go to  vocational programs.  He stated                                                                  
that  the carpenters  union was  looking for  young people  to                                                                  
join its apprenticeship program.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler  thought  the  proposed   database  could  aid  in                                                                  
answering    Representative     Thompson's    question.    She                                                                  
referenced  a  counselor  that  wanted  wage  statistics  from                                                                  
different  occupations,  but  there was  no  such  information                                                                  
specific  for Alaskans.  She spoke  of using  the database  to                                                                  
provide to counselors and teachers with additional tools.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:00:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson stated she  had been on the  ACPE board                                                                  
and  asked about  the  Answers Program  that  had been  funded                                                                  
with $4 million in 2012.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler responded  that  there was  a 2012  grant used  to                                                                  
create   the  Answers   Program,  but   there  had  not   been                                                                  
additional  funding,  so the  program did  not  take off.  She                                                                  
relayed  that the  proposed database  had  been created  under                                                                  
the program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson asked how  the proposed database  would                                                                  
be different than the Answers Program.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Butler  stated  that the Answers  Program  had bee a  much                                                                  
broader  scoped proposal  that  would have  included  research                                                                  
and  analysis, as  well as  online databases  with  dashboards                                                                  
and informational  products for  parents. The bill  proposed a                                                                  
much smaller scope database.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Wilson  thought  the  proposal   was  talking                                                                  
about  adults  that  might  be  receiving   unemployment.  She                                                                  
wondered about  permission to use  the data, and if  there was                                                                  
an opt-out provision.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Butler  answered there  was not  currently an opt-out  box                                                                  
on any  paperwork.  She elaborated  that a  provision to  opt-                                                                  
out  would  require identification  of  individuals,  and  the                                                                  
primary  premise  of the  database  was that  the  information                                                                  
was de-identified.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  suggested that  if there  was an  opt-                                                                  
out box, the data would not be present in the first place.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler  replied  in  the  affirmative.   She  added  that                                                                  
individuals  would  need  to  be identified  in  order  to  be                                                                  
opted out of the database.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  noted that  there  was  a zero  fiscal                                                                  
note. She  asked about  potential funding  for utilization  of                                                                  
the proposed database.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Butler  did not have  exact figures  but relayed  that the                                                                  
department had been encouraged to apply for federal grants.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  asked  for  approximate  numbers.  She                                                                  
noted the  state had spent  $4 million  on a program  that had                                                                  
been  discontinued due  to a  lack  of funding.  She asked  if                                                                  
there was a target amount for funding the program.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Butler would follow up with the information.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki asked  about  what information  would                                                                  
be received  from the Unemployment  Insurance Division  in the                                                                  
Department of Labor and Workforce Development (DLWD).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:04:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler  responded   that  information  on   wage  records                                                                  
(through  the  unemployment  database)  would be  gathered  in                                                                  
order  to  identify   the  amount  being  earned   in  various                                                                  
categories.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki   asked  for  verification  the  only                                                                  
additional  information  from  DLWD  would  be wage  and  hour                                                                  
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Butler responded in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki asked for  the reason the  department                                                                  
needed  the information  up  front. He  wanted  to reduce  the                                                                  
number of places the personal information was seen.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Butler  answered that the  proposed database would  reduce                                                                  
the  number  of times  the  information  needed to  be  passed                                                                  
around.   For   research  related   to   workforce   outcomes,                                                                  
currently  the information  had to be  extracted from  various                                                                  
systems and  matched. One goal  would be a long-term  database                                                                  
free  from  personally  identifiable  information.  She  noted                                                                  
that there  were a number  of reports  that could be  produced                                                                  
in future  years  if the bill  passed  - at a  lower cost  and                                                                  
without having  to link personally identifiable  information.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg   shared  that  he  was  a  retired                                                                  
laborer.  He was always  amazed that people  who could  not do                                                                  
math problems  were able to do  complex practical  field work.                                                                  
He  spoke about  merging  databases. He  asked  how much  data                                                                  
was mergeable.  He thought merging  databases was  problematic                                                                  
if everyone  was not  aligned and  could create  a huge  cost.                                                                  
He asked for greater detail.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler  answered  that the  commission  would  only  link                                                                  
select   elements  that   would  be   relevant  to   measuring                                                                  
outcomes  from each  data  systems. She  stated  that all  the                                                                  
work to make  the databases communicate  had been done  by the                                                                  
grant  mentioned by  Representative  Wilson. A  grant used  in                                                                  
the future  would be to  do the research  and analysis  to use                                                                  
the  data  to  develop  the  statistics  to  provide  outcomes                                                                  
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:08:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  wondered  why  the state  had  not                                                                  
been doing the analysis before.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster OPENED public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DOUG  WALRATH,   DIRECTOR,  NORTHWESTERN  ALASKA   CAREER  AND                                                                  
TECHNICAL  CENTER,  NOME (via  teleconference),  testified  in                                                                  
support  of  the  legislation.  He  discussed  data  reporting                                                                  
that  neglected   to  account  for  the  impact   of  teaching                                                                  
students engaged  and in school.  He detailed that  75 percent                                                                  
to  80 percent  of  his organization's  high  school  training                                                                  
population  were students  enrolled in grades  9, 10,  and 11.                                                                  
Employment   measures  that  were   taken  months   after  the                                                                  
training could  present a skewed  view of success as  the data                                                                  
was  missing  one-third  of the  subjects.  He  reported  that                                                                  
rural  Alaska  graduation  rates  tended to  track  lower.  He                                                                  
considered   that  the  bill  was   a  tool  for   measurement                                                                  
purposes tracking  employment. He  thought the database  could                                                                  
provide tracking  from exploration-level  training leading  to                                                                  
certificated  courses  leading  directly  to  employment.  The                                                                  
bill  protected  identifiable student  information  and  would                                                                  
be valuable.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson asked  if the  program kept  statistics                                                                  
of students  in the Northwestern  Alaska Career and  Technical                                                                  
Center.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Walrath  answered  that  the   center  kept  records  for                                                                  
purposes  of programming.  The program had  a small staff  and                                                                  
it was  difficult to  follow up  on all  former trainees.  The                                                                  
bill  would provide  a tool  to extend  beyond the  capability                                                                  
of the center.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson thanked Mr. Walrath for his work.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:12:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson asked what  information unions  used to                                                                  
follow students.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler   answered  that   generally  unions  engaged   in                                                                  
tracking  but  did  not  know  what  specific   elements  were                                                                  
considered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson would appreciate  the information.  She                                                                  
referenced  statistics  from  DLWD.  She  wondered  about  the                                                                  
data  unions  gathered to  show  success  of apprenticeships.                                                                   
She  asked  about  other  issues  unions  might  have  finding                                                                  
students to do apprenticeships.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Seaton  appreciated   the  bill   and  the   Alaska                                                                  
Performance  Scholarship   report  in  the  packets  (copy  on                                                                  
file).  He  thought  the  information   could  be  helpful  in                                                                  
identifying  effective programs. He  referenced page 3  of the                                                                  
bill  and asked  about  the removal  of  personal  information                                                                  
from  the  database.  He  wanted  to  know  if  the  bill  was                                                                  
proposing  to  look  at  key  elements.  He  asked  about  the                                                                  
meaning of "unit data."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler  responded  that "unit  data"  simply  meant  data                                                                  
that referred to a specific individual.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Seaton tried to  understand how  unit data  would be                                                                  
organized.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:16:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Butler explained  that  as the  unit data  was  received,                                                                  
the  personally  identifiable information  would  be  stripped                                                                  
off, and  the remaining  statistics that  would be used  would                                                                  
be  assigned  a  random  number  and  moved  into  a  separate                                                                  
database.  She  confirmed  that  an  individual's   personally                                                                  
identifiable  information would  never be  stored in the  same                                                                  
database   as  the   statistics   being   used  for   outcomes                                                                  
reporting.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  reiterated  what  he  thought  Ms.                                                                  
Butler  was saying.  He wondered  about the  assignment of  an                                                                  
identifiable  number.  He  wondered  how  new  data  would  be                                                                  
identified to merge with existing data.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Butler  indicated that Representative  Guttenberg  had the                                                                  
right idea.  She indicated that  there was staff available  to                                                                  
provide additional detail.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg was fine.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Gara  MOVED to  report  HB  221 out  of  Committee                                                                  
with individual  recommendations  and the accompanying  fiscal                                                                  
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  OBJECTED.  She  would be  offering  an                                                                  
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Foster   indicated   that   amendments   were   due                                                                  
Wednesday, April 2nd by 5:00 PM.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Gara WITHDREW his motion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster thanked the bill sponsor.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB  221   was  HEARD  and  HELD   in  committee  for   further                                                                  
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB0221 Additional Document ACPE Short Q&A 03.23.2018.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 221
HB0221 Additional Document ACPE Wage Data Bullet Points 03.23.2018.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 221
HB0221 Sectional Analysis ver A 3.23.18.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 221
HB0221 Additional Document SLDS_infographic 03.23.2018.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 221
HB0221 Sponsor Statement 3.23.18.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 221
HB0221 Supporting Document ACPE Letter 3.23.2018.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 221
HB0221 Supporting Document NACTEC Testimony 3.23.2018.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 221
HB400 Sectional Analysis 3.20.18.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 400
HB400 Sponsor Statement 3.20.18.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 400
HB400 Supporting Document- DPS Letter of Support 3.20.18.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 400
HB 268 PP HFIN 4.2.18.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB268 Draft Proposed Blank CS ver E 4.2.18.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 221 APS Outcomes Report.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 221
HB 268 CS vE Explanation of Changes (N-E).pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 Support ALPHA Owen.pdf HFIN 4/2/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 268