Legislature(2019 - 2020)ADAMS ROOM 519

05/15/2019 09:00 AM FINANCE

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Recessed to a Call of the Chair --
-- Continued from 05/14/19 at 1:30 pm --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 43 EXTEND BIG GAME BOARD; OUTFITTER LICENSE TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS SB 43(FIN) Out of Committee
+= SB 10 EXTEND SUICIDE PREVENTION COUNCIL TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 10 Out of Committee
+= SB 16 ALCOHOL LIC:FAIRS,THEATRES,CONCERTS;BONDS TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS SB 16(FIN) Out of Committee
+= HB 79 PEACE OFFICER/FIREFIGHTER RETIRE BENEFITS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 43(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act extending the termination  date of the Big Game                                                                    
     Commercial  Services  Board;  relating  to  a  person's                                                                    
     eligibility  to   hold  a   registered  guide-outfitter                                                                    
     license,  master  guide-   outfitter  license,  class-A                                                                    
     assistant  guide license,  assistant guide  license, or                                                                    
     transporter  license; and  providing  for an  effective                                                                    
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:14:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilson  explained that  the  sponsor  of the  bill                                                                    
allowed  for the  addition of  the Barbers  and Hairdressers                                                                    
Board  that  would otherwise  sunset  in  June 2019  with  a                                                                    
perfect audit. She noted that  the bill granted the Big Game                                                                    
Commercial Services Board (BGCSB) a five year extension.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:15:07 AM                                                                                                                    
Representative Knopp MOVED to ADOPT Conceptual Amendment 1.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Knopp explained his  Amendment. He pointed to                                                                    
Page 1,  Line 12 of the  bill and wanted to  delete 2024 and                                                                    
insert 2022. He  had concerns regarding the  issues with the                                                                    
board  and   believed  another  three  year   extension  was                                                                    
appropriate  to   ensure  the   board  was   rectifying  the                                                                    
problems. He  shared that his  intent was to support  a full                                                                    
term the following sunset.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson clarified that a  written amendment had been                                                                    
distributed to  the committee that  was the same  except the                                                                    
year was changed  to 2023. The committee  was addressing the                                                                    
conceptual amendment.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz asked whether  the date change would affect                                                                    
the extension for Barbers  and Hairdressers. Co-Chair Wilson                                                                    
responded  in the  negative and  indicated  the Barbers  and                                                                    
Hairdressers board received an 8 year term.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tilton  commented that the cost  of the audit                                                                    
was $70  thousand, and the auditors  initially recommended a                                                                    
six    year   extension.    The   audits     concerns   were                                                                    
administrative and not directed  at the boards  actions. She                                                                    
opposed the amendment.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:17:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston  surmised   that  the  amendment  would                                                                    
initiate the  audit process in  two years. She  relayed that                                                                    
the  issues   were  with   the  investigations   versus  the                                                                    
administration.   She  wondered  what  Representative  Knopp                                                                    
hoped  to  discern  from  the  audit.  Representative  Knopp                                                                    
responded  that  some  of  the   conflict  was  between  the                                                                    
administration   and   the  boards    responsibilities   and                                                                    
liabilities. He  thought there were  larger issues  with the                                                                    
board.  He questioned  having to  wait until  another sunset                                                                    
audit  occurred before  being able  to  address issues  that                                                                    
were presently known.  He noted the lengthy  process it took                                                                    
to  initiate a  performance  audit  through the  Legislative                                                                    
Budget and Audit  Committee (LBA). He wanted  to ensure that                                                                    
the issues were addressed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Sullivan-Leonard  echoed comments  from  her                                                                    
college,  Representative Tilton.  She  pointed  to a  letter                                                                    
included in  the legislative audit [titled   A Sunset Review                                                                    
of  the  Department  of Commerce,  Community,  and  Economic                                                                    
Development, Big Game  Commercial Services Board,  September                                                                    
14, 2018,  Audit Control Number 08-20114-19]  (copy on file)                                                                    
from the board  chairman, Henry D Tiffany  IV, dated January                                                                    
2,  2019  that acknowledged  the  concerns  outlined in  the                                                                    
audit.  The letter  indicated that  the  board and  division                                                                    
were implementing significant changes.  She felt assured the                                                                    
issues were  being addressed and  favored the  bills  sunset                                                                    
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:20:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  asked Representative Knopp about  the time                                                                    
change in the amendment and  whether he would effectively be                                                                    
able to  address his  concerns with  his constituents  or if                                                                    
his assessment  depended on the audit.  Representative Knopp                                                                    
responded,  "not necessarily."  He  referenced Ms.  Curtiss                                                                     
testimony noting  that some  issues were  not subject  to an                                                                    
audit via  statute. He mentioned  that some of  his concerns                                                                    
could not  be addressed  in an audit,  which was  the reason                                                                    
for his amendment.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson invited Ms. Curtis  to comment about whether                                                                    
there was  some other mechanism  to look at  specific issues                                                                    
being reviewed without requesting an earlier audit date.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:22:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRIS  CURTIS,   LEGISLATIVE  AUDITOR,  ALASKA   DIVISION  OF                                                                    
LEGISLATIVE  AUDIT, observed  that in  the past  legislators                                                                    
had  reached  out to  the  board  and posed  questions  that                                                                    
addressed concerns  or provided additional  information that                                                                    
was not part  of the sunset process. She  continued that the                                                                    
purpose of an audit was  limited to an extension and roughly                                                                    
85 percent  of the bills  were  clean  and  merely requested                                                                    
an  extension. Concerns  that required  statutory or  policy                                                                    
changes were  better addressed though  a separate  bill that                                                                    
could  be introduced  at  any time.  She  stressed that  the                                                                    
division  and   board  would  be   open  to   providing  the                                                                    
legislature its desired information.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:23:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARA CHAMBERS, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF CORPORATIONS, BUSINESS                                                                    
AND   PROFESSIONAL   LICENSING,  DEPARTMENT   OF   COMMERCE,                                                                    
COMMUNITY  AND   ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT,  offered   that  she                                                                    
appreciated  feedback. She  assured the  committee that  her                                                                    
office  took concerns  extremely  seriously.  She had  heard                                                                    
rumors  and viewed  letters  based  on rumor  and incomplete                                                                    
facts  with  a political  spin   regarding  SB 43.  She  had                                                                    
sought  out necessary  facts to  discover whether  there was                                                                    
actually  a   problem.  She  was   keenly   aware   of  best                                                                    
practices and  the divisions  approach was   grounded in law                                                                    
and administrative process.  She  reiterated that the rumors                                                                    
were  not based  on  facts,  but she  took  the issue   very                                                                    
seriously.   She indicated  that  she did  not  wait for  an                                                                    
audit or  sunset to  address concerns  that were  brought to                                                                    
the  divisions   attention.   She  intended  to  immediately                                                                    
address  any  concerns  regarding the  Big  Game  Commercial                                                                    
Services Board.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Knopp  had  no  idea what  rumors  had  been                                                                    
expressed to Ms. Chambers. He  had heard concerns and wanted                                                                    
to  further investigate  the issues  on his  own as  soon as                                                                    
time  permitted.  He  did  not  want  to  report  rumors  or                                                                    
innuendo to  the department. He  requested a  shorter length                                                                    
of time  in case  the legislature  wanted to  address issues                                                                    
before waiting  another 5 years  but was aware  another bill                                                                    
could address any desired statutory changes.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson  interjected that  the question  was whether                                                                    
the issue was  better handled through an audit  request or a                                                                    
review by the department.  She suggested that a departmental                                                                    
review might best address the concerns.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Knopp WITHDREW  Conceptual  Amendment 1.  He                                                                    
conceded that  he had other options  including requesting an                                                                    
LBA audit.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilson   suggested   that  during   the   interim                                                                    
Representative   Knopp  investigate   the  issues   and  the                                                                    
committee  could  discuss  the  matter  without  introducing                                                                    
legislation in the following session.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:28:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson expressed  concern. He  noted that                                                                    
the department  was attempting to improve  its processes. He                                                                    
mentioned an email (copy on  file) from Jason Bunch, member,                                                                    
BGCSB,  that accounted  for the  current 56  open cases.  He                                                                    
also cited a  letter from Ms. Chambers dated  March 10, 2019                                                                    
[copy  on file]  that stated,   during the  three-year audit                                                                    
period, this  investigator opened  382 cases and  closed 450                                                                    
cases.   He  thought  that  the  amount  of  complaints  was                                                                    
extraordinary and troubling.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Chambers  responded that  based  on  its resources  the                                                                    
division   was    complaint   driven    and   Representative                                                                    
Josephson's  concerns  were  valid.  However,  many  of  the                                                                    
opened  cases  were   administrative  relating  to  document                                                                    
delays  and  was  not  egregious.  She  noted  there  was  a                                                                    
significant amount of paperwork that  had to be submitted by                                                                    
the  guides. However.  even minor  complaints were  counted.                                                                    
Complaints  generally  came   through  the  Alaska  Wildlife                                                                    
Troopers. There  was a significant  amount of  activity that                                                                    
did not rise to a  disciplinary level. She indicated that in                                                                    
2018 there  were 118 activities,  only 16 of  which required                                                                    
disciplinary  actions   due  to  wildlife,   regulation,  or                                                                    
statute   violation.   The   activities   were   complaints,                                                                    
investigations,  monitoring, and  probation. The  board only                                                                    
had   one   investigator   and   prioritized   and   managed                                                                    
complaints.    Administrative   complaints    were   managed                                                                    
differently    than   criminal    activity.   Representative                                                                    
Josephson provided  an example in  his own office  of hiring                                                                    
staff for  the interim and  forgetting to submit  the proper                                                                    
paperwork. He  asked whether the administrative  issues were                                                                    
similar  and were  merely a   technical flaw.   Ms. Chambers                                                                    
concurred  with   his  scenario.  She  indicated   that  the                                                                    
division   had  to   identify  whether   the  administrative                                                                    
complaints were  a wanton violation  or a mere mistake  by a                                                                    
busy individual in the field that missed a deadline.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:34:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Johnston MOVED  to REPORT SB 43  out of committee                                                                    
with individual recommendations  and the accompanying fiscal                                                                    
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HCS CSSB  43(FIN) was REPORTED  out of committee with  a "do                                                                    
pass" recommendation  and with  one new  fiscal note  by the                                                                    
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:34:32 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:41:08 AM                                                                                                                    
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HB079 Letter of Support Adam Lust 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Concern Baxter 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Adams 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Alaska Fire Chiefs Association Styers 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Albright 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Badalich 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Barbeau 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Barnes 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Bell 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Bender 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Biederman 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Bird 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Blackburn 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support BMolle 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Booher 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Bowey 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support CKiewik 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support BPierson 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Buchta 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Bundy 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Buness 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support CHanson 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Davies 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Dennis 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support DGregg 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support DJones 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Duffy 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Farrel 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Fellman 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Fenton 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Fifer 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Forth 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Foster 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Fraize 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Fuchs 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Glorioso 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Gunderson 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Hanson 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Harvey 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Harley 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Hawbaker 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Head 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Hendricks 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support HGallien 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Holeman 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Huf 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Jeffers 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Jensen 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Jones 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support JWolcott 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Joyner 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Karlberg 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Keene 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Kiewik 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Kneaper 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Kopplin 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Kroenig 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Lamphier 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Lewis 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Lex 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Marcini 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Mayes 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support McConnel 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support McDonald 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Meinhardt 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Molle 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support O'Connor 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Ohms 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Pereira 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Peterson 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support PGregg 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Pierson 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Potter 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Presser 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Quinton 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Robertson 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Rojas-Villarreal 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Romero 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Schneider 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support SGallien 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Simonds 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Smith 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Spohn 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Stage-Harvey 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Stiler 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Strahan 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Thompson 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Upchurch 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Vierra 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Wagner 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Winn 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Wallace 5.12.2019 (2).pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Wallace 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Walters 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Wells 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Whitney 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB079 Letter of Support Winegarner 5.12.2019.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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HB 79 PERS Plan Comparison.pdf HFIN 5/15/2019 9:00:00 AM
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