Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 120

03/20/2009 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY

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HB 6 - CRUELTY TO ANIMALS                                                                                                     
1:07:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR RAMRAS announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 6, "An Act relating to cruelty to animals."                                                                      
1:07:44 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL moved  to  adopt  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB   6,  Version  26-LS0022\R,  Luckhaupt,                                                               
2/24/09, as the work draft.   There being no objection, Version R                                                               
was before the committee.                                                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN,  speaking as  the sponsor  of HB  6, relayed                                                               
that bestiality  is a serious  matter with links to  sexual abuse                                                               
of  a minor  crimes.   He said  the impetus  for the  bill was  a                                                               
situation  that arose  in Klawock  involving a  [convicted sexual                                                               
offender] who'd  tied someone's dog  to a tree, taped  its muzzle                                                               
shut, and  then sexually assaulted  it.  Research  indicates that                                                               
this  is  not an  isolated  incident.    He noted  that  members'                                                               
packets  include  a  list of  frequently  asked  questions  about                                                               
bestiality, and  answers to  those questions.   For example:   is                                                               
there  a  connection between  animal  sexual  abuse and  domestic                                                               
violence, child abuse, and other  violent crimes? - yes, and it's                                                               
worse  than ever  expected;  is animal  sexual  abuse illegal  in                                                               
other  states?  -   yes,  at  least  [32]   other  states  outlaw                                                               
bestiality;  are  there exemptions  [in  the  bill] for  accepted                                                               
veterinary  and  animal  husbandry   practices?  -  yes;  and  is                                                               
bestiality a problem  in Alaska and the rest of  the U.S.? - yes,                                                               
acts  of this  nature are  probably  more common  than one  would                                                               
think.  He  mentioned that members' packets  also include letters                                                               
of  support from  the Alaska  Peace Officers  Association (APOA);                                                               
the  Department of  Corrections  (DOC); the  Alaska Farm  Bureau,                                                               
Inc.; the American Humane Association;  and The Humane Society of                                                               
the  United States.   House  Bill  6, in  addition to  addressing                                                               
bestiality,  is also  addressing  public  safety, especially  for                                                               
children, he concluded.                                                                                                         
1:12:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  SICA,   Staff,  Representative   Bob  Lynn,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  on  behalf  of the  sponsor,  Representative  Lynn,                                                               
opined that  it is wrong for  Alaska law to remain  silent on the                                                               
issue  of  bestiality,  a  behavior  that  should  be  considered                                                               
criminal.   Section  1  of  Version R,  he  relayed,  adds a  new                                                               
offense  to  Alaska's  existing  cruelty  to  animals  law  -  AS                                                               
11.61.140(a);  proposed  AS  11.61.140(a)(6)  proscribes  certain                                                               
sexual conduct  or activities as  cruelty to animals.   Section 2                                                               
of  Version  R  adds  a definition  of  what  constitutes  sexual                                                               
conduct with an  animal, and is lifted almost word  for word from                                                               
Washington statute.   Because an animal cannot give  consent to a                                                               
sexual relationship  with a human,  acts of bestiality  should be                                                               
considered  cruel  even  when  no physical  harm  occurs  to  the                                                               
animal.   Furthermore, sexual conduct  with animals  often mimics                                                               
sexual assaults  against women,  children, and  vulnerable adults                                                               
due to the coercive nature of the act and a lack of consent.                                                                    
MR. SICA  asserted that there is  a link between sexual  abuse of                                                               
animals and violent crimes  against people; information available                                                               
in members' packets indicates that  there is an incredible amount                                                               
of  sexual abuse  of animals  being linked  with sexual  violence                                                               
against people and  serial sexual homicide.  For  example, in the                                                               
aforementioned  Klawock case,  the perpetrator  had already  been                                                               
convicted  twice of  sexual abuse  of a  minor crimes.   However,                                                               
this person was not arrested  right away for sexually abusing the                                                               
dog, because law enforcement was  initially at a loss with regard                                                               
to  what to  charge the  person with,  and so  meanwhile all  the                                                               
children in the  town had to stay indoors; this  person was known                                                               
to  prowl around  the school  grounds  and the  post office,  and                                                               
carry  the elements  of what  is now  known to  be a  "rape kit"-                                                               
rope, tape, gloves, and knives.                                                                                                 
MR.  SICA noted  that the  Gastineau Humane  Society (GHS)  - the                                                               
entity  responsible  for enforcing  the  animal  cruelty laws  in                                                               
Juneau  -  gets reports  from  all  over Southeast  Alaska  about                                                               
someone having sex  with an animal, but is at  a loss with regard                                                               
to what to  charge perpetrators with when the  animal hasn't been                                                               
killed or seriously  injured, or when the  atrocity doesn't occur                                                               
in a  domestic violence (DV)  situation or  in front of  a child.                                                               
He  also  noted  that  the  DOC  has  provided  some  information                                                               
regarding crossover  behaviors between people who  sexually abuse                                                               
animals and  people who  sexually abuse other  people.   He added                                                               
that the Homer police department  and the sexual assault response                                                               
team (SART) have  had to investigate some  horrific sexual crimes                                                               
against  children and  other people,  and  are finding  a lot  of                                                               
sexual assault  on animals happening  as part  of the abuse.   In                                                               
conclusion, he mentioned that sexual abuse  of an animal is now a                                                               
felony  crime  in  Washington,  whereas  HB 6  would  make  it  a                                                               
misdemeanor crime in Alaska.                                                                                                    
MR. SICA, in response to a  question, indicated that the title of                                                               
the bill  has been  narrowed via  Version R in  order to  keep it                                                               
focused on the criminal behavior it's intended to address.                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  expressed concern  that the  bill provides                                                               
the same penalties for encouraging  or permitting the behavior as                                                               
it does for engaging in the behavior.                                                                                           
REPRESENTATIVE    GRUENBERG     referred    to     proposed    AS                                                               
11.61.140(a)(6)(B)(ii) -  which says  in part,  "causes, induces,                                                           
aids, or  encourages another person  to engage in  sexual conduct                                                           
with an animal"  - and offered his understanding  that aiding and                                                           
abetting  criminal behavior  is  always  punishable via  existing                                                               
statute,  and surmised,  therefore,  that it's  not necessary  to                                                               
include this language  in the bill.  He indicated  that he'd also                                                               
been  questioning whether  the word  "or"  on [page  1], line  1,                                                             
should instead  be "and", but  had learned that the  drafter felt                                                             
that "or" was the appropriate word to use.                                                                                    
1:23:22 PM                                                                                                                    
[Chair Ramras turned the gavel over to Representative Coghill.]                                                                 
CULLEN  FOWLER,   Chief,  Klawock  Police  Department,   City  of                                                               
Klawock, after  providing more  details about  the aforementioned                                                               
incident  in Klawock,  relayed  that there  hadn't  seemed to  be                                                               
anything  in  current statute  to  charge  the perpetrator  with,                                                               
though eventually  he was charged  with criminal mischief.   This                                                               
lack  of  an  appropriate  statute is  concerning,  he  remarked,                                                               
especially given that  the offense occurred in  a park frequented                                                               
by  children,  and  that  it  was committed  by  a  known  sexual                                                               
[Representative Coghill returned the gavel to Chair Ramras.]                                                                    
MR.  FOWLER,  in  response  to   a  question,  relayed  that  the                                                               
perpetrator  has  since been  released,  and  that this  is  very                                                               
concerning to the community.                                                                                                    
1:26:55 PM                                                                                                                    
TALEA DAVIS  noted that she  is a  high school student,  said she                                                               
supports HB  6, and  then recounted an  incident wherein  a woman                                                               
attempting  to  sell  her  business in  Wrangell  hired  a  [high                                                               
school] boy to kill some stray  cats that were hanging around her                                                               
business, and that  this boy killed about 22 cats  by stomping on                                                               
their  heads, though  one of  the  cats belonged  to someone  and                                                               
wasn't actually a stray.  She  mentioned that she'd also heard of                                                               
the Klawock incident, and offered  her belief that the person who                                                               
perpetrated that act on a  defenseless dog should receive a harsh                                                               
1:28:48 PM                                                                                                                    
DONALD MARVIN,  Mayor, City of  Klawock, opined that the  lack of                                                               
an appropriate  statute addressing  bestiality is a  problem that                                                               
needs  correcting.    The  incident   that  occurred  scared  the                                                               
community,  and  was not  considered  a  laughing matter  by  the                                                               
children,  who afterward  all  made sure  they  were home  before                                                               
dark.  The  perpetrator has been in and out  of the community, he                                                               
relayed, and  the authorities need  something to ensure  that the                                                               
perpetrator doesn't get  an opportunity to harm anyone  else.  In                                                               
response to a question, he said that  the owner of the dog had to                                                               
be convinced  not to  seek justice  on his  own, and  the owner's                                                               
children -  a boy and three  little girls - were  really affected                                                               
by the incident.                                                                                                                
MR.  FOWLER added  that the  dog was  injured by  the duct  tape,                                                               
which  was wrapped  so tightly  around  the dog's  neck that  the                                                               
resulting pressure blew  out blood vessels in its  eyes; that the                                                               
dog became  sensitive to  being touched -  the dog  owner thought                                                               
this was  because the  dog was  also hit and  kicked when  it was                                                               
being sexually assaulted;  and that for about two  months the dog                                                               
was very jumpy  and afraid, and would hide under  the table.  The                                                               
owner of the dog was concerned  that the dog might turn on family                                                               
members, but the  dog has slowly returned to  normal behavior for                                                               
the most part,  though the owner thinks that there  might be some                                                               
residual effects  from the  abuse the dog  was subjected  to, Mr.                                                               
Fowler remarked.                                                                                                                
1:33:14 PM                                                                                                                    
LESLIE ISSACS,  City Administrator,  recounted that for  a couple                                                               
of  days while  authorities were  searching for  the perpetrator,                                                               
he'd  received   calls  at  city  hall   from  concerned  parents                                                               
indicating that they  were taking time off from work  in order to                                                               
escort their  young children home  from school because  they were                                                               
afraid  that  the  perpetrator   would  surface  and  take  their                                                               
children and do to them what he'd  done to that dog; this fear in                                                               
the community was very real,  and because the authorities weren't                                                               
able to  hold the  perpetrator in jail,  the whole  community was                                                               
severely affected by the incident.                                                                                              
1:35:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MEGAN SMITH  relayed that her cat  was one of the  cats killed by                                                               
that  high  school  boy  in   the  aforementioned  incident  that                                                               
occurred in Wrangell.                                                                                                           
1:36:42 PM                                                                                                                    
RACHEL  DZIUBA, D.V.M.,  Director,  Veterinary Clinic,  Gastineau                                                               
Humane  Society  (GHS),  after   relaying  that  in  her  private                                                               
practice -  Bridge Veterinary Services -  she primarily practices                                                               
large animal  veterinary medicine on horses  throughout Southeast                                                               
Alaska, said she  supports the passage of HB 6,  and that passage                                                               
of the bill makes sound social  sense.  Although many might think                                                               
that  the language  of the  bill  is graphic  or sensational,  in                                                               
order to clearly delineate  between appropriate and inappropriate                                                               
behavior,  such careful  wording must  be present,  she remarked,                                                               
adding that  as a veterinarian, she  is particularly appreciative                                                               
of  the bill's  clarity.   The  bill clearly  does  not impose  a                                                               
penalty  on   actions  considered   to  be   standard  veterinary                                                               
practices  or standard  farming and  animal husbandry  practices;                                                               
such practices  are clearly not a  crime under HB 6  as currently                                                               
written.   The bill does, however,  provide currently-unmet legal                                                               
recourse to  address inappropriate sexual contact  between humans                                                               
and animals.   House  Bill 6  will protect  both animals  and the                                                               
public from the cycle of  abuse and violence perpetrated by those                                                               
who seek to commit sexual acts of exploitation against animals.                                                                 
DR. DZIUBA  said that  the act  of forcing  a living  creature to                                                               
engage in  sexual activity  without the  ability to  give consent                                                               
cannot simply  be viewed as a  personal choice, no more  than can                                                               
forcing  a  child  or  an  impaired adult  to  engage  in  sexual                                                               
activity.    There  is  a   strong,  known  link  between  sexual                                                               
dominance  and violence  against  animals,  and violence  against                                                               
humans;  the  pattern  of aggression  and  control  exhibited  by                                                               
humans seeking to  engage in sexual activities  with animals must                                                               
be  recognized  as a  punishable  crime  in order  to  ultimately                                                               
encourage the development of a society  that is safer to live in.                                                               
She said  that during  her tenure as  a licensed  veterinarian in                                                               
Alaska,  she  has  unfortunately   been  made  aware  of  several                                                               
instances in which  animals have been sexually  assaulted.  These                                                               
horrible  acts of  sexual violence  - which  really do  occur and                                                               
occur more frequently than most people  want to believe - must be                                                               
addressed in law.   In conclusion, she reiterated  that she fully                                                               
supports HB 6 as currently  written, and encouraged the committee                                                               
to do the same.                                                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG disclosed  that he  and his  family are                                                               
clients/customers of the "humane society."                                                                                      
DR.  DZIUBA, in  response to  a question,  clarified that  in her                                                               
position  with  the GHS,  she  has  been  made aware  of  several                                                               
complaints received as part of  the GHS's animal control services                                                               
about  sexual  acts  of violence  committed  against  animals  in                                                               
Juneau.   In response to  a question,  she said she  views animal                                                               
abuse to  be abuse  regardless of whether  the animal  is already                                                               
1:41:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAVA LEE,  Executive Director,  Gastineau Humane  Society (GHS),                                                               
extended  her support  of  HB  6, characterizing  it  as a  well-                                                               
crafted  piece of  legislation that  speaks  specifically to  the                                                               
crime of  sexual misconduct  without inhibiting  or criminalizing                                                               
veterinary practices or standard  animal husbandry practices.  As                                                               
the head  of an animal control  agency, she relayed, she  can say                                                               
that sexual  deviancy against animals  does exist, and  it exists                                                               
in Alaska.   In each case that has come  to her attention, during                                                               
the  sexual assault  of the  animal, coercion,  abuse, threat  of                                                               
physical  harm, or  terrorizing a  human was  also present.   The                                                               
people who reported  the crimes were afraid for  their own safety                                                               
or the safety  of their children; the sexual abuse  of the animal                                                               
had been  used to  intimidate, threaten,  or terrorize  into them                                                               
submission.  The  animal victims in each of these  cases, as well                                                               
as  those other  cases  occurring throughout  the  state, had  no                                                               
choice, and  there was little  that could  be done to  protect or                                                               
defend them.  Unfortunately, because  no crime in the legal sense                                                               
had  been committed,  the human  victims were  also left  with no                                                               
voice, no advocate, no recourse;  there was no justice for either                                                               
the  abused animal  or  the  humans who  were  threatened by  the                                                               
MS. LEE  said that statistics  gathered by the Federal  Bureau of                                                               
Investigation (FBI),  the American Humane Association,  and other                                                               
agencies  that work  with offenders  illustrate that  there is  a                                                               
high  correlation between  sexual abuse  and torture  of animals,                                                               
and  sexual  abuse  and  violence towards  human  beings.    Such                                                               
statistics,   as  were   provided   in   members'  packets,   are                                                               
staggering.    Although HB  6  deals  specifically with  animals,                                                               
there is  no escaping the fact  that it also addresses  humans as                                                               
well.   First, and  foremost, humans are  the abusers.   Further,                                                               
statistics illustrate  that human abusers, who  often are victims                                                               
of abuse themselves,  often begin their own cycle  of violence by                                                               
abusing  animals.    Therefore,  anything that  can  be  done  to                                                               
criminalize  such acts  of  [animal] abuse  helps  to break  that                                                               
cycle.  Although  the passage of HB 6 won't  stop sexual abuse or                                                               
sexual torture of animals, it  will give [human] victims recourse                                                               
under the law.  Passing HB 6  is therefore the right thing to do,                                                               
she concluded.                                                                                                                  
CHAIR  RAMRAS, after  ascertaining  that no  one  else wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 6.                                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE   GATTO  questioned   whether  Alaska's   statutes                                                               
contain a definition of "animal".                                                                                               
1:45:43 PM                                                                                                                    
ANNE  CARPENETI,  Assistant   Attorney  General,  Legal  Services                                                               
Section, Criminal Division, Department of  Law (DOL), said she is                                                               
assuming that there  is a definition of "animal"  in the statutes                                                               
pertaining  to   veterinarians  and  veterinary   practices,  and                                                               
offered to research that issue further.                                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG noted that AS 11.81.900(b)(3) says:                                                                    
     (3) "animal" means a vertebrate living creature not a                                                                      
     human being, but does not include fish;                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG,  again   referring  to   proposed  AS                                                               
11.61.140(a)(6)(B)(ii),  then  questioned whether  including  its                                                               
language in the  bill is really necessary or  whether existing AS                                                               
11.16.110  -  Legal  accountability  based upon  the  conduct  of                                                               
another - would suffice.                                                                                                        
MS.  CARPENETI  explained  that AS  11.16.110  requires  specific                                                               
intent unless  the person was otherwise  made legally accountable                                                               
by a provision of law defining  the offense; pointed out that the                                                               
first and second degree sexual  abuse of a minor statutes include                                                               
- as part  of the definition of the offense  - this same separate                                                               
language  that's  in   proposed  AS  11.61.140(a)(6)(B)(ii);  and                                                               
offered  her assumption  that that  is why  the drafter  chose to                                                               
include this language in HB 6 as well.                                                                                          
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG surmised,  then,  that  a person  found                                                               
guilty of  violating proposed AS 11.61.140(a)(6)(B)(ii)  would be                                                               
punishable  just as  if  he/she were  the  person committing  the                                                               
MS. CARPENETI said yes.  In  response to a question regarding the                                                               
bill's reference  to AS  11.41.455 -  Unlawful exploitation  of a                                                               
minor  -   she  explained   that  AS   11.41.455(a)(5)  prohibits                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  surmised, then,  that  if  the act  of                                                               
bestiality involves  a minor, then  it would be  punishable under                                                               
AS 11.41.455, and  if it doesn't involve a minor,  then, once the                                                               
bill passes, it would be punishable under AS 11.61.140.                                                                         
MS. CARPENETI and MR. SICA concurred.                                                                                           
1:50:52 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  expressed concern  that a person  could be                                                               
charged  with a  crime under  proposed AS  11.61.140(a)(6)(B)(ii)                                                               
even if  he/she was simply joking  and no sexual conduct  with an                                                               
animal actually occurs.                                                                                                         
MS. CARPENETI, again pointing out  that the same language already                                                               
exists in  other statutes,  said her  interpretation is  that the                                                               
sexual conduct with  an animal would actually have  to occur, but                                                               
offered to research the issue further.                                                                                          
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG argued  that  a person  could be  found                                                               
guilty of inducing or encouraging  another person to do something                                                               
even if  that other person never  does the thing that  he/she was                                                               
induced or encouraged to do.                                                                                                    
MS. CARPENETI again offered to research the issue further.                                                                      
MR. SICA,  in response to  a question, offered  his understanding                                                               
that the  crime of  bestiality became a  felony in  Washington in                                                               
2005 after one man  bled to death as a result  of engaging in sex                                                               
with an animal.                                                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES referred  to proposed AS 11.61.140(a)(6)(C)                                                               
-  which would  make it  a crime  for a  person to  permit sexual                                                               
conduct with an animal to be  conducted on any premises under the                                                               
person's  control -  and  asked whether  under  that provision  a                                                               
landlord would have  a duty to evict a tenant  or turn him/her in                                                               
to the authorities if the  landlord suspected that the tenant was                                                               
engaging in such activity.                                                                                                      
MS.  CARPENETI offered  her belief  that permitting  something to                                                               
occur requires  more than just  knowing something is  occurring -                                                               
that a more culpable mental  state would be required for purposes                                                               
of prosecution -  and noted that similar language  is included in                                                               
the  statutes  pertaining  to crimes  and  behaviors  that  could                                                               
endanger a minor.   In response to another  question, she offered                                                               
her understanding  that in the Klawock  incident, the perpetrator                                                               
was  charged  with  and convicted  of  criminal  mischief,  which                                                               
includes the crime of harming property.                                                                                         
2:00:03 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   GATTO  made   a  motion   to  adopt   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                        
     Insert on page 2 after line 23.                                                                                            
       Animal means a non human mammal, bird, reptile or                                                                        
     amphibian, either dead or alive                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO indicated that he  would prefer for the bill                                                               
to  provide  for  what  he  characterized  as  a  more  inclusive                                                               
definition   of    animal   than   currently   exists    [in   AS                                                               
11.81.900(b)(3)],   offering    his   belief    that   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1 would  more clearly  reflect the  committee's intent.                                                               
He also indicated  that he has concern the bill  might only apply                                                               
in instances in which a live animal is sexually abused.                                                                         
MS.  CARPENETI  pointed  out  that  the  definition  provided  by                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 1 would apply  to the entirety of the animal                                                               
cruelty  statute, and  expressed a  desire to  have more  time to                                                               
research what  effect Conceptual Amendment  1 would have  on that                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  said  he  is  hesitant  to  include  a                                                               
different definition  than that which already  exists in statute,                                                               
surmising that the current definition  has already been carefully                                                               
thought  out,  but  suggested  that the  DOL  ought  to  consider                                                               
whether  it wants  the  bill to  apply to  sexual  abuse of  dead                                                               
animals as well as live animals.                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO,  in response to a  question, indicated that                                                               
he  thinks that  Conceptual  Amendment 1  provides  for a  better                                                               
definition of "animal" than currently exists in statute.                                                                        
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  expressed a  preference for  maintaining the                                                               
language of Version R as it's currently written.                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  suggested  that  Representative  Gatto                                                               
consider including his proposed  definition in other legislation,                                                               
rather than in HB 6.                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL said  he, too, is troubled  by the breadth                                                               
of  Conceptual Amendment  1,  and  suggested that  Representative                                                               
Gatto take time to research the issue further.                                                                                  
MS.  CARPENETI, in  response to  a question,  explained that  any                                                               
forthcoming new  definition could  specify whether it  applies to                                                               
the whole  of a  particular title  or chapter  of statute,  or to                                                               
just a section or subsection of statute.                                                                                        
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO withdrew Conceptual Amendment 1.                                                                           
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG referred  to  the title  of  HB 6,  and                                                               
questioned whether it ought to  specify "sexual conduct or sexual                                                               
activities"  rather than  just  "sexual  conduct or  activities".                                                               
His concern, he relayed, is that  the title isn't tight enough as                                                               
currently written.                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN indicated  that he would be  amenable to such                                                               
a change.                                                                                                                       
2:08:42 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG made  a motion to adopt  Amendment 2, to                                                               
insert on page 1, line 1,  the word "Sexual" after the word "or".                                                           
There being no objection, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                              
2:09:01 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL moved to report  the proposed CS for HB 6,                                                               
Version  26-LS0022\R,  Luckhaupt,  2/24/09, as  amended,  out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES objected  for the  purpose of  discussion.                                                               
She asked  Ms. Carpeneti  to research  further the  issues raised                                                               
during discussion of proposed  AS 11.61.140(a)(6)(B)(ii) and (C),                                                               
and  suggest   any  changes   necessary  to   alleviate  members'                                                               
MS. CARPENETI agreed to do so.                                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES then removed her objection.                                                                               
CHAIR RAMRAS  announced that  CSHB 6(JUD)  was reported  from the                                                               
House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                                             

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
01 HB6 Sponsor Statement.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
01 HB149 Sponsor Statement.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 149
02 CSHB6 version R.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
03 Explaination of Changes version A to version R.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
04 HB6 Bill version A.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
05 HB6 Sectional Analysis.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
06 HB6 FAQ.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
07 HB6 Research, Studies, Fact Sheets.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
02 HB149 Bill version A.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 149
03 HB149 State Collection from Court Fees.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 149
04 HB149 LSC Letter of Support.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 149
05 HB149 Backup information re ALSC.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 149
08 HB6 Letters SupportOpposition.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
09 HB6 News Stories.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
10 Relevant Alaska Statutes.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
11 HB6 Fiscal Notes.pdf HJUD 3/20/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 6