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04/29/2019 01:00 PM RESOURCES

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+ SB 43 EXTEND BIG GAME BOARD; OUTFITTER LICENSE TELECONFERENCED
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        SB  43-EXTEND BIG GAME BOARD; OUTFITTER LICENSE                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:01:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR announced  the first order of business  would be CS                                                               
FOR SENATE  BILL NO. 43(FIN),  "An Act extending  the termination                                                               
date of  the Big  Game Commercial Services  Board; relating  to a                                                               
person's  eligibility   to  hold  a   registered  guide-outfitter                                                               
license,  master  guide-  outfitter  license,  class-A  assistant                                                               
guide license,  assistant guide license, or  transporter license;                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:01:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVID  WILSON, Alaska State Legislature,  sponsor, stated                                                               
CSSB  43(FIN)  would  extend  the termination  of  the  Big  Game                                                               
Commercial Services Board  until 6/30/24, which is  one year less                                                               
than the  six years  recommended by  the Division  of Legislative                                                               
Audit.   He  explained that  the board  consists of  two licensed                                                               
registered  guide-outfitters,  two   licensed  transporters,  two                                                               
private landholders, two public members,  and one member from the                                                               
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON  related that an  audit of the board  conducted by                                                               
the Division  of Legislative Audit made  three recommendations to                                                               
improve the  board:   1) the  Division of  Corporations, Business                                                               
and   Professional   Licensing   director  should   improve   the                                                               
management oversight  to procedures to ensure  that documentation                                                               
is obtained, reviewed, and retained  to support licensure; 2) the                                                               
division's  chief  investigator   should  increase  oversight  to                                                               
improve the  timeliness of investigations;  and 3) the  Office of                                                               
the Governor,  Boards and Commissions  director should  work with                                                               
the board to identify potential  applications in a timely manner.                                                               
In regard  to the  timeliness of  investigations, he  pointed out                                                               
that multiple  agencies are involved  and only 37 cases  are open                                                               
as  of today,  with of  those  13 being  Alaska Wildlife  Trooper                                                               
cases  over  which   [the  division]  has  no   control  for  the                                                               
timeliness.   He stated it  was recognized that  more supervisory                                                               
rapport is needed for more quality control.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON  said the  division has  responded to  the audit's                                                               
recommendations by working to add  supervisors in addition to the                                                               
examiner,  as well  as working  to  improve training  procedures.                                                               
There  is a  new chief  investigator, he  continued, and  two new                                                               
senior  investigators have  been  added to  provide more  quality                                                               
assurance.   He stated  the division has  heard the  message from                                                               
Legislative  Audit   and  is   working  to   hold  investigations                                                               
accountable for the paperwork.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:04:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILSON provided  a sectional  analysis of  CSSB 43(FIN).                                                               
He  said:    Section  1,  page  1,  lines  6-8,  would  amend  AS                                                               
08.03.010(c)(9) to extend the Big  Game Commercial Services Board                                                               
for five years,  through June 30, 2024.  Section  2, page 1, line                                                               
9, through page 2, line 16,  would amend AS 08.54.605(a) to allow                                                               
the board  to immediately suspend  a license for  violations that                                                               
already  disqualify  a person  from  receiving  or renewing  that                                                               
license.   Section 3, page  2, line 17,  through page 3,  line 7,                                                               
would   amend   AS   08.54.610(b)   to   increase   the   minimum                                                               
qualifications for a master  guide-outfitter license, including a                                                               
requirement to  have a  clean record  for 15  years.   Section 4,                                                               
page 3,  lines 8-17, would  add new subsections to  AS 08.54.710,                                                               
which allow the board to  revoke a master guide-outfitter license                                                               
if  a  person's  privileges  are  revoked or  if  the  person  is                                                               
convicted of a violation.   A person whose master guide-outfitter                                                               
license is  revoked under  this provision can  still be  issued a                                                               
registered  guide-outfitter license  if  qualified.   Section  5,                                                               
page 3, line 18, would add an immediate effective date.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILSON stressed  the board  plays an  important role  in                                                               
managing  the  activities  of  commercial  game  hunters  in  the                                                               
interest  of Alaska's  wildlife resources.   He  reminded members                                                               
that the  bill addresses  whether the  board should  continue its                                                               
work and does not address the function of the board.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:06:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR noted  Section 1  is clearly  the extension.   She                                                               
observed Section 2  would add the word "hold" to  that section of                                                               
statute.  She asked whether  she is correct in understanding that                                                               
Section  2 isn't  about the  initial receiving  or renewing  of a                                                               
license,  but  is about  putting  a  restriction on  someone  who                                                               
already  holds  a   license  if  the  person   has  the  problems                                                               
identified in [paragraphs (1) and (2) of Section 2].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON replied yes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:07:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  inquired whether the bill  addresses "real                                                               
life" situations  in which  the board  was unable  to act  or the                                                               
audit found the  board did not act appropriately,  or whether the                                                               
bill addresses situations that are speculative in nature.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON  replied that during  a hearing before  the Senate                                                               
Finance  Committee it  was learned  that [a  license holder]  can                                                               
continue to  provide guiding services  for over two  and one-half                                                               
years  after  being  found  guilty of  a  violation  while  going                                                               
through the  appeals process  after a guilty  verdict.   Thus, he                                                               
said,  the  board  requested  the authority  to  put  a  person's                                                               
license on hold during adjudication of the appeals process.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  offered her understanding that  there were                                                               
real life  examples that caused  the board to ask  for additional                                                               
tools to "hold" a license and this provision would do that.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON responded yes, there have been several examples.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:09:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS brought  attention  to page  2, line  29,                                                               
through page 3, line 1, of the bill, which state:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     (3) submits  a list  to the department  of at  least 45                                                                
     [25]  clients  for  whom   the  person  has  personally                                                                    
     provided guiding or outfitting  services and the person                                                                    
     receives  a favorable  evaluation from  30 [10]  of the                                                                
     clients selected from the list by the department;                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS   requested  clarification  as   to  what                                                               
constitutes a "favorable evaluation."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON deferred to [Mr. Henry Tiffany] for an answer.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:09:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HENRY  TIFFANY IV,  Chair, Registered  Guide-Outfitter, Big  Game                                                               
Commercial  Services  Board  (BGCSB), Division  of  Corporations,                                                               
Business  and  Professional  Licensing, Department  of  Commerce,                                                               
Community &  Economic Development  (DCCED), deferred to  Ms. Sara                                                               
Chambers  since  it is  the  division  that reviews  the  license                                                               
applications.  He advised that  the board extensively deliberated                                                               
on  the proposed  changes within  the  bill and  is in  unanimous                                                               
support  of the  proposed  increase in  the  number of  favorable                                                               
recommendations.   He further advised that  the proposed increase                                                               
in  favorable recommendations  would be  a more  standard number.                                                               
He also noted  that the proposed language in paragraph  (4) of 15                                                               
years is also standard in other professions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:12:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARA CHAMBERS, Director, Division  of Corporations, Business, and                                                               
Professional  Licensing,  Department  of  Commerce,  Community  &                                                               
Economic Development (DCCED), explained  that the vetting process                                                               
for  a registered  guide  who  is applying  for  a master  guide-                                                               
outfitter license, includes  providing a list of  clients who are                                                               
then contacted by  the division for information  pertinent to the                                                               
applicant's proficiency  in the  field that  would relate  to the                                                               
scope  of what  a guide-outfitter  is allowed  to do.   She  said                                                               
registered and master guides are  in charge of people's lives and                                                               
thus  must  be  in  compliance   with  all  applicable  laws  and                                                               
regulations for  hunting as  well as land  use, and  the division                                                               
asks clients  to review  their experience with  that guide.   She                                                               
stated the  board had an  opportunity to review CSSB  43(FIN) and                                                               
supports [the changes proposed in paragraph (3)].                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:14:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  inquired as to  a time period  over which                                                               
those 45 clients would have had to work with that guide.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS answered she is unsure  of whether there is a window                                                               
of time.  She said she and  Mr. Tiffany go back and forth because                                                               
she has the administrative part  and he has the qualitative part.                                                               
She said her  understanding through working on this  bill is that                                                               
the  timeframe  would  be  during the  life  of  the  applicant's                                                               
registered guide-outfitter license,  so it would be  a client who                                                               
had contracted with the guide.   She explained that the structure                                                               
of  guiding goes  from an  assistant guide  to class-A  assistant                                                               
guide to  a registered  guide to a  master guide-outfitter.   The                                                               
dividing line between the two  assistants and the two contracting                                                               
guides, she  continued, is  that [the  contracting guide]  is the                                                               
boss and  actually signs the contract  with the client.   So, she                                                               
added, it  would need to  be within  the life of  the applicant's                                                               
registered  guide activity,  but  she  is unsure  if  there is  a                                                               
window of time unless otherwise stated in the bill.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:15:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TIFFANY  clarified that  for a  client to  qualify as  a name                                                               
submitted   for  a   master   guide-outfitter  application,   the                                                               
registered  guide (at  that point)  doesn't  necessarily have  to                                                               
have been  a contracting  guide for that  individual client.   He                                                               
explained  that there  are many  guides within  Alaska, and  some                                                               
don't  ever contract  hunts; they  work for  other registered  or                                                               
master  guides, but  they may  still  choose to  obtain a  master                                                               
guide  license and  it  isn't  wanted to  hinder  that.   If  the                                                               
applicant  has  physically  guided  a client  in  the  field,  he                                                               
continued, then  that client's name  would be applicable  for the                                                               
applicant to  put on his/her  application towards a  master guide                                                               
license.  He offered his  belief that there isn't any stipulation                                                               
that it needs  to be within a  certain time limit of  a couple of                                                               
years  because the  number of  clients divided  by the  number of                                                               
years proposed  comes to three  clients a  year, and most  of the                                                               
guides that  either contract  or guide  clients for  someone else                                                               
have about three or more clients per year.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:17:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  offered his  understanding that  there is                                                               
no window  for the  timeframe of  those 45  people to  give their                                                               
evaluations; it  could be any time  in the last 40  years if that                                                               
person has  been a registered  guide, but three clients  per year                                                               
is a logical number.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. TIFFANY  confirmed there is  no limitation.   If it  took the                                                               
applicant 40 years to collect the  right number of names, then so                                                               
be it, he said, or if it took fewer years that is alright also.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  asked whether  the division  contacts all                                                               
45 clients.   He further asked  whether that is standard  for the                                                               
division providing other types of occupational licenses.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:18:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS  replied the division solicits  that information for                                                               
a variety  of license  types and depends  upon how  the [related]                                                               
statute  is written.    She said  the division  has  quite a  few                                                               
license  types  that  require  some  sort  of  evaluation.    For                                                               
example, she continued, for  healthcare or mechanical professions                                                               
evaluations  are solicited  from supervisors  or others  who have                                                               
worked closely  with the  applicant in a  similar capacity.   So,                                                               
she added, it  is unusual because it is  somewhat subjective, but                                                               
it is pertinent and relative to that type of work.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:19:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  stated that the proposed  increases in the                                                               
number of  clients that  must be  submitted [from  25 to  45] and                                                               
number of  favorable evaluations [from 10  to 30] is a  huge jump                                                               
given the  small number of  clients per  year and the  20-40 year                                                               
span  of time  in the  applicant's  career.   She submitted  that                                                               
given the  length of time,  some of  those clients are  no longer                                                               
alive and many  are foreign nationals, and therefore  it would be                                                               
a huge  increase in  the burden  for both  the applicant  and the                                                               
division to  contact all those  clients and receive  30 favorable                                                               
evaluations.    She  further submitted  that  this  would  narrow                                                               
things so much that hardly anyone would qualify.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON  responded that  the master  guide-outfitter title                                                               
is  a prestigious  and high  standard for  guides, and  the title                                                               
carries additional  privileges for  guides as well  as additional                                                               
responsibilities  to clients.   He  said it  needs to  be ensured                                                               
that these folks  are the top ethical guides who  will follow the                                                               
guidelines and  regulations and therefore setting  the bar higher                                                               
for obtaining the master guide-outfitter license was wanted.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:22:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS agreed  and explained that master  guide is somewhat                                                               
of an  honorary title  because the  registered guide  can perform                                                               
the same guide/outfitting duties as  a master guide.  She related                                                               
that when  reviewing this the  division asked the  same questions                                                               
of whether it  seemed reasonable and deferred to the  board.  She                                                               
continued:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     It  is not  prohibiting  anyone from  gaining a  higher                                                                    
     level of  economic opportunity  because the  master and                                                                    
     the registered guides can do  the same things.  But the                                                                    
     master  guide does  have that  value added,  as Senator                                                                    
     Wilson said,  that it is  a title recognizing  that you                                                                    
     are at the  very top of your game.   It doesn't get, in                                                                    
     the United  States, any more  exclusive in  the guiding                                                                    
     industry than  that.   But it  is not  a tier  where we                                                                    
     might look at trade issues  and restriction of trade by                                                                    
     saying this  is really hard  to get and it  might serve                                                                    
     only an  elite few,  which is preventing  everyone here                                                                    
     from being  able to earn  the same living.   They're on                                                                    
        the same par, at least as far as their economic                                                                         
     opportunities are concerned.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:23:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN noted that  the previous requirement was 10                                                               
out of 25 clients over a 12-  to 15-year period and that the bill                                                               
would increase the  look back period from which  clients could be                                                               
submitted  and would  triple the  number  of positive  responses.                                                               
She  questioned whether  the fiscal  note of  $35,000 [Identifier                                                               
SB043CS(FIN)-DCCED-CBPL-04-09-19]  would  be sufficient  to  fund                                                               
the  investigation of  an additional  20 positive  evaluations on                                                               
every  application.   She further  questioned whether  the guides                                                               
who are  potentially qualified to  apply for this feel  that they                                                               
can produce  those names and  have current contact  with clients.                                                               
Representative  Hannan said  she wants  to ensure  that this  big                                                               
leap in numbers is being done  for the right reasons and not just                                                               
because there were  some people with lower licenses  who were bad                                                               
actors,  which would  be a  separate issue.   She  agreed [master                                                               
guides] are  the best of  the best  and therefore should  not get                                                               
poor evaluations.   She  asked whether  the board,  the industry,                                                               
and the department think the proposed thresholds are manageable.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS answered  that the department does  not anticipate a                                                               
problem with  the increase in  its administrative workload.   She                                                               
deferred  to Mr.  Tiffany  to speak  to  the board's  discussion,                                                               
which included master guides, in the vetting of those numbers.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:26:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TIFFANY concurred  that a master guide license  is, more than                                                               
anything, an honorary title.  He  said it does not allow, from an                                                               
economic  standpoint, an  individual to  necessarily do  anything                                                               
more than  a registered guide  can do, except that  master guides                                                               
can advertise  themselves and carry  themselves with  that title.                                                               
In its  discussions the  board understood this,  he related.   He                                                               
explained that  a total of  45 names submitted with  30 favorable                                                               
recommendations over  a 15-year  period is very  feasible because                                                               
an applicant  must have been a  registered guide for at  least 15                                                               
years and that would be guiding 3  clients a year.  He added that                                                               
many guides take 10-15 clients in  one year.  He stated the board                                                               
doesn't think  it is onerous or  a burden on applicants  who want                                                               
to  obtain  the  title  because  they  have  proven  under  these                                                               
proposed changes that they have  been exemplary in the profession                                                               
for a  long time  with no  violations.  He  pointed out  that the                                                               
board was in  unanimous agreement on that and doesn't  feel it is                                                               
terribly burdensome.   He related  that one of the  board members                                                               
is  currently a  registered  guide and  getting  close under  the                                                               
current regulations  to being  eligible to  apply for  his master                                                               
guide license.  He said  this board member fully understands that                                                               
this would  prolong the time it  takes him to apply  for a master                                                               
guide license and yet this board  member voted in full support of                                                               
these changes.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN said she is fine with the answer.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:28:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK offered his  understanding that under current                                                               
law,  AS 08.54.720(a),  a  licensed master  guide  does not  lose                                                               
his/her title as a master guide if he/she commits an offense.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON confirmed Representative Tuck's understanding.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  stated  his   support  for  [CSSB  43(FIN)]                                                               
because it  would provide conditions  under which a  master guide                                                               
title can be  lost.  He observed that Section  4, subsection (l),                                                               
would  provide that  a master  guide-outfitter  who lost  his/her                                                               
license  could  still  be  issued  a  registered  guide-outfitter                                                               
license  and, he  surmised, would  have to  wait 15  years before                                                               
he/she could get back the title of master.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON replied yes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:30:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  inquired whether the  evaluations could                                                               
be  completed  via a  written  or  online  survey instead  of  an                                                               
interview.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS responded  she will check with staff,  but is pretty                                                               
sure the  clients are contacted  in writing.   She said  it would                                                               
make  her a  little  anxious to  believe  that someone's  license                                                               
depends upon  verbal note taking,  so she  is certain there  is a                                                               
written record  of that, but  she doesn't know  specifically what                                                               
that looks like.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ offered her  understanding that a letter                                                               
is sent out to which clients  respond in writing, rather than the                                                               
clients being called and interviewed.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS answered yes; clients respond in writing.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:32:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRIS  CURTIS,   CPA,  CISA,  Legislative  Auditor,   Division  of                                                               
Legislative Audit,  Alaska State Legislature,  directed attention                                                               
to  the document  in  the committee  packet  entitled, "A  Sunset                                                               
Review  of the  Department  of Commerce,  Community and  Economic                                                               
Development, Big  Game Commercial Services Board  (board)," dated                                                               
9/14/18, Audit  Control Number 08-20114-19.   She  explained that                                                               
the purpose of a sunset audit  is to determine whether a board or                                                               
commission is serving the public's  interest in whether it should                                                               
be  extended.   She stated  the audit  found that  this board  is                                                               
serving  the   public's  interest   by  conducting   meetings  in                                                               
accordance  with  applicable  laws, by  amending  regulations  to                                                               
improve  the occupations  under  its purview,  and by  supporting                                                               
changes made by  the Department of Law to  improve the timeliness                                                               
of the disciplinary  process.  Additionally, she  said, the audit                                                               
found  that this  board had  eliminated  the deficit  of over  $1                                                               
million that  was reported in the  2015 sunset audit.   She noted                                                               
the  audit  also  concluded  that the  board  licenses  were  not                                                               
consistently supported  by adequate documentation, a  high number                                                               
of  investigations had  unjustified  periods  of inactivity,  and                                                               
three board  positions were vacant  for an extended period.   She                                                               
said the audit recommended a six-year extension for this board.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  turned to page 8  of the audit, Exhibit  2, Licensing                                                               
Activity, and reported that as of  May 2018 there were a total of                                                               
1,219 active  licenses, a 20  percent reduction when  compared to                                                               
the 2015 sunset audit.  She  related that, according to the board                                                               
chair, this  decrease is  due in  part to  guides retiring  and a                                                               
decreased interest  in the profession.   Additionally,  she said,                                                               
the  chair reported  that there  were fewer  transporters because                                                               
many changed  operating as air  taxis to avoid  the transporter's                                                               
reporting  requirements  and  fees  -  there  were  151  licensed                                                               
transporters as  of April 2015 compared  to 90 as of  May 2018, a                                                               
40 percent reduction in the number of transporters.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS moved to page 10  of the audit, Exhibit 3, Schedule of                                                               
Revenues and  Expenditures, and said  the board had a  surplus of                                                               
[$132,224] at  the end at  fiscal year 2018  (FY 18).   She noted                                                               
this is significant given the  board's deficit of [$1,120,051] at                                                               
the end of FY 15.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:34:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  stated the audit  contains three  recommendations for                                                               
improvement.   She  said Recommendation  No.  l, page  14 of  the                                                               
audit,  is that  the director  of the  Division of  Corporations,                                                               
Business,  and  Professional  Licensing  (DCBPL)  should  improve                                                               
management oversight procedures  to ensure required documentation                                                               
is obtained,  reviewed, and retained  to support licensure.   She                                                               
noted the audit tested 25 new  licenses and found errors in 14 of                                                               
them.   She drew attention  to the errors  listed on page  14 and                                                               
pointed out that the more  serious errors were missing background                                                               
checks and a lack of  adequate investigatory review.  She related                                                               
that, according  to the DCBPL  management, turnover in  the staff                                                               
that supported  the board contributed  to the errors.   She added                                                               
the audit also noted a lack of supervisory review.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  said Recommendation No. 2,  page 15 of the  audit, is                                                               
that  DCBPL's chief  investigator  should  increase oversight  to                                                               
[improve] the timeliness of investigations.   She noted the audit                                                               
tested 22  investigations that  had been open  for over  180 days                                                               
during  the  audit  period  and   found  periods  of  unjustified                                                               
inactivity for 20 of the 22.   She related that, according to the                                                               
chief investigator,  periods of  inactivity were  due in  part to                                                               
inadequate  resources  to  investigate   the  high  caseload  and                                                               
supervisors not adequately monitoring the cases.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  said Recommendation No. 3,  page 16 of the  audit, is                                                               
that the Office of the  Governor, Boards and Commissions director                                                               
should work with the board  to identify potential applicants in a                                                               
timely manner.   She noted that from July 2015  through May 2018,                                                               
two board positions  were vacant for six months due  to a lack of                                                               
interested  applicants,  and the  board  position  occupied by  a                                                               
member of the  Board of Game was vacant for  eight months because                                                               
the Office of the Governor was  not notified of the vacancy.  She                                                               
related  that, according  to Boards  and  Commissions staff,  the                                                               
transporter and private landholder  board positions are difficult                                                               
to fill due to a lack of qualified candidates.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS drew  attention to the agency responses  found on page                                                               
25 of the audit.  She  related that the DCCED commissioner agrees                                                               
with Recommendations No. 1 and 2  and has taken action to resolve                                                               
both  recommendations.   Addressing  page 27  of  the audit,  she                                                               
further related that the Office  of the Governor has responded to                                                               
Recommendation No.  3 and  agreed to fill  vacancies in  a timely                                                               
manner.   She  stated that  page  29 provides  the BGCSB  chair's                                                               
response to  Recommendation No.  3 in which  the chair  agreed to                                                               
work  with the  Office of  the Governor  to fill  vacancies in  a                                                               
timely  manner  and stated  that  all  the board  positions  were                                                               
filled at that time.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:37:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK requested the date of the previous audit.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS replied May 2015.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK inquired  whether this  current audit  found                                                               
the same issues that were identified in 2015.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS turned  to page  13 and  pointed out  the four  prior                                                               
recommendations from the 2015 audit.   She stated [auditors] felt                                                               
that most of the 2015  recommendations were addressed, especially                                                               
the  $1 million  deficit [third  recommendation].   She said  the                                                               
first recommendation  had to  do with support  to the  board, and                                                               
while [auditors] felt  the support did improve  they identified a                                                               
new  problem   with  the  license   documentation,  so   that  is                                                               
considered a reiteration of a  prior recommendation.  She advised                                                               
that  the problems  with prior  applications  [identified in  the                                                               
fourth recommendation] were dealt with.   But, she continued, the                                                               
problem of  timeliness of investigations  [second recommendation]                                                               
has not been addressed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK asked who conducts the investigations.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS responded  that  DCBPL  conducts the  investigations.                                                               
The board stays  out of the investigative process  as it performs                                                               
a  semi-judicial role  in ruling  on  an investigation's  results                                                               
once the ruling is brought to the board.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TUCK  offered   his   understanding  that   many                                                               
investigation positions  from various  departments are  moving to                                                               
the Department  of Law  (DOL).   He asked  how this  would affect                                                               
efforts to resolve the backload that is had.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS answered:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I don't  think we  know right now  the impact  of that.                                                                    
     There has been an  Administrative Order [No. 306, dated                                                                    
     2/13/19]  to  consolidate   the  investigative  process                                                                    
     within the Department  of Law.  It  is my understanding                                                                    
     this board  is included in  that process.  I  know that                                                                    
     there  has been  some discussion  to have  an audit  on                                                                    
     that process,  looking at  the consolidation,  how that                                                                    
     impacts timeliness,  efficiency, and I  believe there's                                                                    
     work right now to draft an audit request.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:39:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN inquired  about the idea of  taking all the                                                               
investigators from all of the  agencies and consolidating them in                                                               
the  Department of  Law.   She asked  whether the  audit that  is                                                               
being  requested  is  of  the process  of  the  new  consolidated                                                               
investigations prior to  them being done, or if it  will be given                                                               
some time and then be audited  for whether it is a more efficient                                                               
way to do it.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS replied that she suggested "at least three years."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN offered her  understanding that it wouldn't                                                               
be  known for  three years.   She  expressed her  concern that  a                                                               
prior recommendation  from a previous  audit is still  an ongoing                                                               
issue.  She continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     If  this board  in five  more years  has an  audit that                                                                    
     again  raises   that  there  is  a   problem  with  the                                                                    
     investigation,   but   this    time   we've   sort   of                                                                    
     structurally  shifted and  ...  we  won't know  whether                                                                    
     that  backlog  is  created  by   it  being  an  ongoing                                                                    
     problem, these  are complex  things to  investigate, or                                                                    
     whether  it   was  because  we've  shifted   how  we've                                                                    
     investigated them.   ... It's not  that I'm encouraging                                                                    
     them to  be held harmless, but  it seems to be  an area                                                                    
     of  concern  for an  industry  that  is profitable  but                                                                    
     complex,   and  seasonal   in   nature,  migratory   in                                                                    
     practice,  and then  we are  trying to  make sure  that                                                                    
     investigations   of   things   that  may   span   legal                                                                    
     boundaries,  because  again  many of  the  clients  who                                                                    
     might be  called as  a witness  in an  investigation of                                                                    
     bad  actors in  the field  could be  foreign nationals.                                                                    
     So  I  could  certainly   see  why  these  are  complex                                                                    
     investigations  to  carry  forward  and  I'm  wondering                                                                    
     whether  the  department  has had  the  opportunity  to                                                                    
     share all  of those concerns  in a global  and specific                                                                    
     way    as   these    dialogues   about    consolidating                                                                    
     investigators to the Department of Law have happened.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS responded that those  details would be worked out in                                                               
FY 2020.  She said  the taskforce to implement the Administrative                                                               
Order  for   consolidating  all  the  investigations   under  the                                                               
Department of  Law would begin  in early 2020 and  that questions                                                               
would be asked  of this particular board, the  other 43 licensing                                                               
entities managed by [the Division  of Legislative Audit], as well                                                               
as  all the  rest around  the state.   She  stated she  expects a                                                               
discussion to work  out safeguards and tracking  mechanisms.  She                                                               
said the  administrative order is  a plan that will  be thorough,                                                               
and it  is possible  that [the  Division of  Legislative Audit's]                                                               
investigators may become Department of  Law employees.  They will                                                               
retain  the  same  knowledge,  background,  and  experience  that                                                               
benefit  from  oversight  through  the  Department  of  Law,  she                                                               
advised.  There  are a variety of ways that  this could look, but                                                               
this is just the beginning of the process, she added.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:43:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  addressed  Ms.   Curtis  and  urged  [the                                                               
aforementioned  problem] be  footnoted now  because auditors  are                                                               
probably the  best at footnoting something  and remembering where                                                               
it is and coming back to it.  She continued:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     This has  been in two audits,  yet I don't know  if you                                                                    
     have  any specificity  of where  the  problems and  the                                                                    
     timeline  to  produce  those investigations  have  been                                                                    
     that can  be shared  with the Department  of Law  so it                                                                    
     doesn't have to be relearned  by a new lawyer trying to                                                                    
     figure out  how to  investigate a licensure  issue that                                                                    
     is  in   [an]  unusual   industry.  ...  Each   of  our                                                                    
     investigative  jurisdictions [is]  unique, but  I think                                                                    
     this one  is not only  unique it's quirky. ...  I would                                                                    
     just urge  that we  make sure  we've footnoted  that so                                                                    
     when we  return to this in  five years we don't  go, "A                                                                    
     third   audit  where   the  investigation   backlog  is                                                                    
     overwhelming,"  and  think   that  we've  somehow  been                                                                    
     flawed in it because I think  it is one of those places                                                                    
     where  it's  going   to  be  a  weird   thing  for  the                                                                    
     Department  of Law.  ... The  legal violations  they're                                                                    
     going  to have  straight up  dialed in  ... if  they've                                                                    
     been working  on fish and  game issues  and violations.                                                                    
     But  I  think  that   the  guide  industry,  it's  that                                                                    
     intersect of  a lot  of different elements  of commerce                                                                    
     that  are really  unique, and  I want  to make  sure we                                                                    
     remember that when  we hold someone to  task five years                                                                    
     from now about not doing it right.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:44:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS asked  how the  board accumulated  a $1.1                                                               
million deficit in fiscal year 2015.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  replied that  in general terms  it may  have involved                                                               
not  raising  fees  timely, as  well  as  incorrectly  allocating                                                               
indirect costs over  the years.  She deferred to  Ms. Chambers to                                                               
answer further.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS advised that circa  2012 DCCED discovered inadequate                                                               
checks  and balances  in  its accounting  systems  and DCBPL  was                                                               
allowed  to  provide  incorrect  information  externally  to  its                                                               
boards and to the public.   It was accounted for correctly in the                                                               
old state accounting  system, she continued, but  all the numbers                                                               
and reports given to and utilized  by the boards were not tied to                                                               
the accounting system.  When  this was discovered, she explained,                                                               
DCBPL  worked with  its administrative  services to  rectify that                                                               
and an  exhaustive search through all  data was done to  find out                                                               
where each licensing program actually  stood.  She said some were                                                               
actually doing  better than  what they were  being told  and some                                                               
were not, and  the Big Game Commercial Services Board  was in the                                                               
"very, very  not" category.   Much to its credit,  she continued,                                                               
the board  at that time  committed to  doing whatever it  took to                                                               
get things  done.  She  explained that  the division spent  a few                                                               
years  working hand-in-hand  with the  board assessing  how often                                                               
fees were  being increased appropriately  and whether  there were                                                               
fees that  were not  being captured  to cover  the administrative                                                               
workload that  the statute  requires.   Particularly in  the time                                                               
period  between those  two audits,  she noted,  work was  done to                                                               
calibrate those  fees and now  they are in a  reasonable surplus.                                                               
She advised  that this program  and all the  division's licensing                                                               
programs are  being checked  every year  with the  division's fee                                                               
analysis tool.  The division is  in close contact with the board,                                                               
she  added, because  the board  doesn't want  to go  through that                                                               
again and neither does the division.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:48:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS surmised  the increased  user fees  since                                                               
2015 are  paying for the new  positions talked about by  the bill                                                               
sponsor to address the backlog of complaints and concerns.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS  confirmed that  licensing fees pay  for all  of the                                                               
division's costs and  noted that those positions  are shared with                                                               
the other programs as well.   She pointed out that the 2018 audit                                                               
covered a  span of three  years, so  the information is  now four                                                               
years  old.   Since the  beginning of  the audit,  she said,  the                                                               
division has  put in a  variety of improvements,  safeguards, and                                                               
additional resources  to address the  issues that were  raised in                                                               
the audit.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS continued  and stressed that the  audit findings are                                                               
against the division  and not against the board  itself, which is                                                               
a  body of  volunteers appointed  to govern.   The  licensing and                                                               
investigative issues are the responsibility  of the division, she                                                               
pointed  out.    She  said  that,  to  date,  the  division  has:                                                               
narrowed  down double-checks  with the  new senior  investigators                                                               
for all  the division's programs; reduced  the licensing workload                                                               
for this program; closed 22 cases  so now only 39 cases are open;                                                               
and double-checked  every 60  days or so  that there  is adequate                                                               
documentation in the  division's case file.  She  noted the audit                                                               
did not  find that investigations  were performed poorly  or that                                                               
the board  wasn't doing  its job.   She  advised the  audit found                                                               
that  division staff  did not  document lapses  when things  were                                                               
over  with   the  troopers   or  with   the  Office   of  Special                                                               
Prosecutions.   The division has  taken that very  seriously, she                                                               
added, because it  is a poor reflection on the  division when the                                                               
audit isn't clean.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:51:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  stated that  the audit's concerns  are about                                                               
investigations as well as oversight  and monitoring of the cases.                                                               
He  noted that  currently DCBPL  supervises the  cases.   He read                                                               
aloud  from  AS   [08.01.050(a)(19)],  administrative  duties  of                                                               
department, which  states, "provide inspection,  enforcement, and                                                               
investigative  services to  the  boards and  for the  occupations                                                               
listed  in  AS 08.01.010  regarding  all  licenses issued  by  or                                                             
through the department".  He  said the statutes are very specific                                                               
on  who investigates  and who  oversees those  investigations and                                                               
opined  that the  governor's Administrative  Order  is really  an                                                               
Executive Order  because it changes  statutes.  Given  this order                                                               
to put all  investigations under the Department of  Law, he asked                                                               
who  is  now  responsible  for the  oversight,  supervision,  and                                                               
monitoring of those investigations.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS responded  that the task force would  work out these                                                               
questions prior to executing the  Administrative Order.  She said                                                               
she has taken note of Representative Tuck's statements.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:54:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[CO-CHAIR TARR opened public testimony.]                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:54:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KURT WHITEHEAD,  Master Guide-Outfitter, testified he  has been a                                                               
guide in  Alaska since  1995 and has  worked for  good outfitters                                                               
and bad outfitters.   He stressed the importance of  the Big Game                                                               
Commercial  Services  Board.   He  explained  that  an  applicant                                                               
applying for a registered guide  license is tested before a panel                                                               
of  master  guides  and/or registered  guides  and  oral  testing                                                               
reveals the  applicant's competence.   He urged the  committee to                                                               
reauthorize  the  board because  it  provides  oversight and  the                                                               
necessary oral testing.  Without  the board, he said, there would                                                               
be  no more  oral  testing and  an applicant  would  only take  a                                                               
multiple-choice test.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:57:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WAYNE  KUBAT,  Master  Guide-Outfitter,  Vice  President,  Alaska                                                               
Professional Hunters Association (APHA),  testified that the APHA                                                               
represents  Alaska's important  and historic  guide industry  and                                                               
has been  in existence  for nearly  50 years.   He said  the APHA                                                               
supports  state's  rights and  is  working  to maintain  Alaska's                                                               
right to  manage game species in  accordance with state law.   He                                                               
stated he is  very familiar with CSSHB 43(FIN) and  that there is                                                               
misleading information circulating about  the Big Game Commercial                                                               
Services Board (BGCSB).  He said  the guide industry pays its own                                                               
way  and is  net positive  for the  state.   He pointed  out that                                                               
guided non-resident  effort is less  than 3 percent of  the total                                                               
big game hunting effort, and  in 2015 accounted for $55.2 million                                                               
new dollars and  with multipliers accounted for  $87.2 million in                                                               
total  economic activity,  with a  lot of  it occurring  in rural                                                               
areas.    He  advised  that guide  numbers  are  decreasing,  not                                                               
increasing, which was mentioned in the audit.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KUBAT addressed  the issue of complaints about  the board not                                                               
taking action in certain cases.   He related that at the meetings                                                               
he  has attended  the board's  binder  shows the  actions it  has                                                               
taken, and while it may not be  all cases, the board is putting a                                                               
dent in  them.   He said  the guide industry  needs a  voice that                                                               
knows  the truth  and can  represent guides  fairly, and  the Big                                                               
Game Commercial Services Board is  that voice.  He further stated                                                               
that  the  board is  an  important  piece  of the  puzzle  toward                                                               
maintaining  the  long-term health  and  viability  of the  guide                                                               
industry.  He urged the passage of CSSB 43(FIN).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:59:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  RICHARDS, Executive  Director, Resident  Hunters of  Alaska                                                               
(RHAK),  testified he  is representing  RHAK's  2,000 members  in                                                               
asking  the   committee  to   reject  the   [proposed]  five-year                                                               
extension  of  the Big  Game  Commercial  Services Board  and  to                                                               
instead extend  it for only  two years.   He noted the  board has                                                               
been audited  every three years  since its reinstatement  in 2005                                                               
and  every audit  has  outlined the  same  problem regarding  the                                                               
ability to  investigate cases  in a timely  manner along  with an                                                               
ongoing backlog  of cases, which doesn't  provide confidence that                                                               
things will  change.  He  opined that a shorter  extension period                                                               
would give the board incentive to resolve its issues.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS stated the other body  amended the bill, in part, in                                                               
response to RHAK's  complaints about guides continuing  to hold a                                                               
guide license  after numerous violations.   The amended  bill, he                                                               
continued, would change parts of the  Title 8 statutes to make it                                                               
somewhat  easier for  the  board  to revoke  or  suspend a  guide                                                               
license and RHAK agrees with those  changes.  He said there might                                                               
be parts of the Title 8 statute  the committee is unaware of.  He                                                               
maintained the guide  industry has been very  successful over the                                                               
decades in  monopolizing anything  to do  with making  money from                                                               
hunters and  that this is  how "outfitter" got tacked  onto guide                                                               
and now a guide is known  as guide-outfitter.  He again urged the                                                               
committee to amend the bill to a two-year extension.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:02:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  observed that  RHAK's 4/25/19 letter  in the                                                               
committee packet states that nothing  has changed in terms of the                                                               
caseload  and that  the process  has  not been  streamlined.   He                                                               
inquired whether  RHAK has suggestions  on how to  streamline the                                                               
process.  He recalled Ms.  Curtis stating there are problems with                                                               
being able to investigate and adequately monitor the cases.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS answered  that only one investigator  is attached to                                                               
this  board and  one  investigator alone  cannot  handle all  the                                                               
cases.   He said the  board does not  have money to  hire another                                                               
investigator and opined that the  way the board resolved its debt                                                               
issue  is  problematic because  it  moved  to consent  agreements                                                               
rather than  taking guides to administrative  court hearings that                                                               
are costly.   So  now, he continued,  guides with  violations are                                                               
basically  given a  slap  on the  wrist,  a minimal  probationary                                                               
period, and are allowed to  continue to hold their guide license.                                                               
It is a Catch-22 here, he  advised, in that trying to resolve the                                                               
investigative issues and the caseloads  has resulted in something                                                               
that is allowing guides to continue guiding with violations.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:04:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATHAN TURNER, Trapper,  Registered Guide-Outfitter, testified he                                                               
works primarily  as a trapper,  has been  a hunting guide  for 22                                                               
years, a registered  guide for 19 of those years,  and is serving                                                               
his ninth year  on the Board of  Game.  He stated  he is speaking                                                               
today as a hunting guide.   He said he supports extending the Big                                                               
Game Commercial  Services for a full  six years and that  he also                                                               
supports the [bill's proposed  changes] to master guide-outfitter                                                               
qualifications.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. TURNER said the board  has clearly acknowledged the financial                                                               
problems and investigative backlog and  that it continues to work                                                               
diligently on  the areas  that it can  through board  actions and                                                               
authority.   But, he added,  as has been  presented a lot  of the                                                               
issues are  beyond the board.   He  stated the board  takes these                                                               
issues very  seriously.  He  related that  for most of  the years                                                               
the board  has been operating again,  he has sat in  the meetings                                                               
and  the  subcommittee meetings  and  participated  in the  guide                                                               
testing and has  been impressed with the  sincerity of individual                                                               
board members and the tone and  tenure of the meetings.  He urged                                                               
that,  regardless of  the  length of  extension  that is  chosen,                                                               
consideration be given at the end  of the extension to remove the                                                               
sunset  provision.   He said  the  administrative problems  being                                                               
faced today  are nothing  compared to what  would happen  if this                                                               
board was to  sunset, as was evidenced when it  was sunset before                                                               
and the problems in the field led to the board's re-creation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. TURNER  stated he supports  the [proposed] changes  to master                                                               
guide-outfitter  qualification.   He said  he has  been qualified                                                               
since 2012  but hasn't  submitted an  application because  of his                                                               
belief that the bar is [currently]  so low it doesn't equate with                                                               
his understanding  of what a master  of any trade should  be.  As                                                               
currently  exists,  he  opined,  a   guide  doesn't  need  to  be                                                               
outstanding  in  any  manner;  a  guide simply  needs  to  be  in                                                               
business long enough and will qualify  to be called a master.  He                                                               
said his belief that when  another guide sees the title "master,"                                                               
he/she should be impressed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:08:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  recalled Mr.  Turner's statement of  being a                                                               
guide for 22 years  and a registered guide for 19.   He asked how                                                               
a person becomes an unregistered guide.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. TURNER explained he was an  assistant guide first to earn his                                                               
qualification to become a registered guide.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:08:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL  UMPHENOUR, Master  Guide-Outfitter,  testified he  served                                                               
three  terms on  the  Board of  Fisheries  and afterwards  served                                                               
eight years as  chairman of the Fairbanks Fish  and Game Advisory                                                               
Committee.  He  said Alaska is well known  throughout the country                                                               
for  its boards  of fish  and game  and its  Big Game  Commercial                                                               
Services Board.  He maintained  that the other states are jealous                                                               
of Alaska's  system of public  process for how the  state's fish,                                                               
game, and hunting resources are  managed.  Allowing this board to                                                               
sunset would be a slap in the  face to all wild resource users in                                                               
Alaska, he  said.  He pointed  out that Alaska is  much different                                                               
than  other states  in  that regular  individuals  can put  forth                                                               
proposals to change the regulations,  the proposals are published                                                               
through a board  process, and at the board's  meetings the public                                                               
participate  in  the  discussion about  changing  the  regulatory                                                               
process.  Getting rid of it would be going backwards, he said.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR  noted he  is a  master guide-outfitter  and has                                                               
been  guiding for  33  years, his  son is  also  a master  guide-                                                               
outfitter, and  his daughter is  an assistant guide.   Guides pay                                                               
their own  way, he  continued, in that  non-residents pay  a non-                                                               
resident fee  in addition to their  license and this fee  pays 73                                                               
percent of  the Division of  Wildlife Conservation's  budget, and                                                               
sport  fish licenses  pay for  the  majority of  the Division  of                                                               
Sport Fish's budget.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. UMPHENOUR pointed  out the board doesn't have  anything to do                                                               
with the investigation  process.  The investigator  works for the                                                               
department,  he  said,  so  any  problems  are  the  department's                                                               
problem, not the  board's problem.  The board  does not supervise                                                               
the  investigator, he  continued, and  the board  has gotten  the                                                               
investigator to quit so many  frivolous investigations that don't                                                               
amount to anything.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:12:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  closed public testimony after  ascertaining no one                                                               
else wished to testify.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR announced that CSSB 43(FIN) was held over.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 43 Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
CSSB 43 (SFIN) - Sectional Summary.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
SB 43, Version A.PDF HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
CSSB 43, Version B.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
SB 43 Work Draft v. M - Explanation.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
SB 43 Letters of Support.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
SB 43 Letters of Opposition.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
SB 43 DCPL Letter .pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
SB 43 Bunch Testimony .pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
SB 43 Additional Testimony Huttunen.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
SB 43 BGCSB Letter of Support 4.03.19.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
SB 43 Big Game Commercial Services Board Sunset Review Audit.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
HB138 Sponsor Statement version U 4.22.2019.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 version A 4.22.2019.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 Supporting Material DNR Fact Sheet Legislatively Designated Areas 4.22.2019.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB138 Supporting Material DEC Tier 3 Water Designation FAQ 4.22.2019.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/24/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 Supporting Material DEC Tier 3 response 4.22.2019.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 Supporting Material DEC Final Tier 3 Guidance 4.22.2019.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/24/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 Supporting Material Commissioner Hartig Letter to Senate 4.22.2019.PDF HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/24/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 40 CFR Part 131 4.22.2019.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 18 AAC 70.016 4.22.2019.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB136 Fiscal Note 4.26.19.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HB 136
HR138 Supporting Document EPA Response to DEC 7.26.18.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HR 138
HB138 Supporting Document - Chilkat Indian Village Letter of Opposition 4.26.19.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 Supporting Document - DEC P&P re Tier 3 Nomination 11.21.18.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 Supporting Document EPA Response to DEC 7.26.18.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HR 138
HB138 Fiscal Note 4.26.19.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HR138 Supporting Document EPA Response to DEC 7.26.18.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HR 138
SB43 Supporting Document - RHAK Letter House Resources 4.25.19.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
SB 43
HB138 Coalition Letter of Support 4.28.19.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138
HB138 Letters of Opposition 4.29.19.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB138 Additional Letters of Opposition.pdf HRES 4/29/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/10/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2020 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/17/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 138