Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 106

02/23/2010 08:00 AM STATE AFFAIRS


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+ HB 291 GUARANTEED REVENUE BONDS FOR VETERANS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
*+ HB 289 EXEC ETHICS: LEGAL FEES/FAMILY TRAVEL TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
          HB 289-EXEC ETHICS: LEGAL FEES/FAMILY TRAVEL                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:50:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced  the final order of business  was HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO. 289, "An Act authorizing  state agencies to pay private legal                                                               
fees and costs  incurred by persons exonerated  of alleged Alaska                                                               
Executive Branch  Ethics Act violations; allowing  certain public                                                               
officers and former  public officers to accept  state payments to                                                               
offset private legal fees and  costs related to defending against                                                               
an  Alaska Executive  Branch Ethics  Act complaint;  and creating                                                               
certain  exceptions   to  Alaska  Executive  Branch   Ethics  Act                                                               
limitations on the  use of state resources to provide  or pay for                                                               
transportation of  spouses and children  of the governor  and the                                                               
lieutenant governor."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:50:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON moved  to adopt the  proposed committee                                                               
substitute (CS) for HB 289,  Version 26-LS1304\C, Wayne, 2/22/10,                                                               
as a work draft.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for discussion purposes.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN stated his intent to work from Version C.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:51:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON removed  his  objection.   There being  no                                                               
further objection, Version C was before the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:51:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG,  in explanation of the  function of the                                                               
proposed  legislation,  paraphrased  the first  sentence  of  the                                                               
sponsor statement,  which read  as follows  [original punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     HB  289 sets  forth  in statute  the  substance of  the                                                                    
     Attorney  General's  proposed regulations  establishing                                                                    
     standards  for  (1)  reimbursement of  legal  fees  and                                                                    
     costs  for any  executive branch  employees accused  of                                                                    
     ethical violations, and (2)  payment of travel expenses                                                                    
     for the  families of only  the governor  and lieutenant                                                                    
     governor.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said the  reason he became involved with                                                               
HB 289 is  that he believes these issues should  be dealt with by                                                               
the legislative  branch, not the executive  branch - particularly                                                               
the  attorney  general, who  is  appointed  by the  governor  and                                                               
determines whether  the governor's  family or  people in  his own                                                               
department can  get reimbursed  by the state  for costs  and fees                                                               
resulting from being charged with an ethics violation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:54:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN  said,   "So,  this  is  basically   to  prevent  the                                                               
appearance of conflict of interest."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG responded yes.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:55:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG,  regarding  legal fees,  said  he  was                                                               
concerned that  there is  language that  could be  interpreted as                                                               
allowing reimbursement  even if a  person was not  exonerated, if                                                               
he/she simply paid the money back.   He said he does not think it                                                               
is  fair for  someone  who is  guilty to  get  back his/her  full                                                               
attorney's fees and costs.  In  response to a question from Chair                                                               
Lynn, Representative  Gruenberg confirmed his intent  is for only                                                               
those who  have been exonerated  to be  reimbursed.  He  said the                                                               
term exonerated is defined on page 4, lines 12-18, of Version C.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG   pointed   out  that   there   is   a                                                               
recommendation  for corrective  action and  one for  preventative                                                               
action.   He explained that  corrective action is  something that                                                               
would  occur  when  a  person  has  been  found  guilty,  whereas                                                               
preventative  action would  be taken  in a  situation in  which a                                                               
person was not found guilty,  yet the situation should be avoided                                                               
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:59:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  directed attention  to page 4,  line 4,                                                               
of Version  C, which includes  "former public officer".   He said                                                               
he  wanted to  ensure that  a former  public officer  cannot come                                                               
back  much  later and  get  his/her  costs  and  fees.   He  then                                                               
directed attention  to page 4,  lines 26-28, of Version  C, which                                                               
read as follows:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          APPLICABILITY. AS 39.52.470, enacted by sec. 4 of                                                                     
     this  Act,   applies  only   to  complaints   under  AS                                                                    
     39.52.310 -  39.52.390 that are  initiated or  filed on                                                                    
     or after the effective date of this Act.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:00:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG  said   a   third   change  that   was                                                               
incorporated into Version  C is in language on  page 4, beginning                                                               
on line [19], which read as follows:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
               (2) "fees and costs of private legal                                                                             
     representation"  means  reasonable   fees  and  related                                                                    
     costs  of  legal  representation that  are  necessarily                                                                    
     incurred  in defense  against  the  allegations in  the                                                                    
     complaint   and   may   include   fees   for   services                                                                    
     customarily performed  by an attorney but  delegated to                                                                    
     and   performed  by   a   person   working  under   the                                                                    
     supervision of an attorney licensed  to practice in the                                                                    
     state.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  explained  that  that  would  preclude                                                               
someone from  attempting to get  money for "a  fishing expedition                                                               
or all kinds of things that  aren't related to it."  Furthermore,                                                               
the person would  have to be reasonable from  an attorney's point                                                               
of view.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:02:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  said  the fourth  change  incorporated                                                               
into  Version C  would make  the  process of  making claims  less                                                               
cumbersome.  He said theoretically,  a person could be paid money                                                               
and  then found  guilty, or  something equivalent,  and then  the                                                               
agency  would have  to come  back to  recoup the  money, and  the                                                               
person could be judgment proof.   He indicated that the change in                                                               
Version C would  leave the application for costs and  fees to the                                                               
end, so that it is done  once with no recouping "or anything like                                                               
that."  He explained that this  change is the reason that Version                                                               
C is much shorter in length than the original bill version.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:04:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON   asked  for  clarification  regarding                                                               
recommendations for preventative action.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:04:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JUDY BOCKMON,  Assistant Attorney General/State  Ethics Attorney,                                                               
Opinions,   Appeals,  &   Ethics,  Civil   Division  (Anchorage),                                                               
Department  of Law,  echoed  Representative Gruenberg's  previous                                                               
statement that  corrective action recognizes that  there has been                                                               
some  sort of  violation, while  exoneration would  include those                                                               
situations  where there  has been  no violation,  even if  it was                                                               
decided  that preventative  action was  necessary.   She said  an                                                               
example of  preventative action may  be to distance  the employee                                                               
from  "the situation,"  which would  be done  through the  ethics                                                               
supervisor of the agency involved.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:07:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked if those  actions that may  have the                                                               
appearance of  impropriety would  be a  violation or  would "flow                                                               
under preventative action."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:09:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BOCKMON explained  that when  the department  reviews Ethics                                                               
Act matters,  it looks at the  actual situation.  She  said there                                                               
is a  regulation that states  that the appearance  of impropriety                                                               
is not a violation, so the  department would not base a violation                                                               
on appearances alone.  A decision  is made as to whether there is                                                               
an actual violation or not.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:11:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  offered his understanding that  there is a                                                               
statutory requirement not to have  appearance of impropriety.  He                                                               
stated,  "I'm  just wanting  to  get  clarified that  what  we're                                                               
saying  here  is  that  if  you  are  guilty  of  generating  the                                                               
appearance of  impropriety, the appearance  of a conflict  by the                                                               
executive officer's  action, that that's  going to be  treated as                                                               
an  exoneration or  it will  be treated  as a  recommendation for                                                               
preventative action."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:12:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.   BOCKMON  reiterated   that  judgments   are  not   made  by                                                               
appearances.   She said, "We  encourage employees to step  up and                                                               
report  situations in  which they  might potentially  violate the                                                               
Ethics Act."   For example,  someone might be assigned  to review                                                               
grant proposals  and see that the  name on one of  the submittals                                                               
is that of  a family member.  At that  point, the reviewer should                                                               
stop, report the problem, and be  removed from the situation.  If                                                               
the  reviewer continues  his/her participation  in the  review of                                                               
the application submitted  by the family member, that  would be a                                                               
violation  and there  would be  no exoneration.   She  concluded,                                                               
"It's  hard to  envision  a  situation where  the  result of  the                                                               
investigation turns on just the appearance of the situation."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:14:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN offered  a  hypothetical  example of  an                                                               
executive  who  submits  paperwork for  reimbursement  of  travel                                                               
expenses for  a family member who  was not required to  be on the                                                               
trip,  but withdraws  the submission  when it  is pointed  out to                                                               
him/her that  this was  not something for  which there  should be                                                               
reimbursement.   He asked if  that is an example  of preventative                                                               
action.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BOCKMON indicated  that the answer would  depend upon whether                                                               
or not there had been an ethics  complaint.  If there had been an                                                               
ethics  complaint, then  the situation  would involve  corrective                                                               
action.    Prior to  there  being  a  complaint, if  the  officer                                                               
submitted the request for reimbursement  and then realized it was                                                               
inappropriate  and  took action  to  withdraw  the request,  that                                                               
would  be  viewed as  a  person  "stepping  up" to  meet  his/her                                                               
obligations, having  recognized there  was a  problem.   She said                                                               
that behavior should be encouraged.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:17:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN asked Ms. Bockmon  to confirm that if the                                                               
aforementioned   executive   from    the   hypothetical   example                                                               
voluntarily withdrew  the request  for reimbursement,  then there                                                               
would be no violation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BOCKMON replied that she is  uncertain that that would be the                                                               
ultimate  conclusion.    She  explained, "We  could  say  it's  a                                                               
violation, but the person took  appropriate action to correct the                                                               
situation and  that addresses it  absent there being  a complaint                                                               
to follow through on."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  requested  a   review  of  the  sectional                                                               
analysis [included in the committee packet].                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:19:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  paraphrased  the  first  part  of  the                                                               
sectional analysis,  which read as follows  [original punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 1. Deletes definition of "for partisan political                                                                    
     purposes." This definition section is moved to section                                                                     
     3 on page 3, lines 22-27.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG continued as follows:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     It's  permitted if  ... the  person who  is transported                                                                    
     with  the governor  or  lieutenant governor  reimburses                                                                    
     the state  for the actual  cost or  if the cost  is not                                                                    
     reasonably calculable for the  fair market value of the                                                                    
     person's  transportation.   Alternatively, if  they are                                                                    
     not reimbursing the state, the  standard is whether the                                                                    
     person's attendance  is a  benefit to  the state.   And                                                                    
     that is  a ... general concept  impossible to determine                                                                    
     with just a  facile definition.  So, what  we give here                                                                    
     - and  this is pretty  much given from  the regulations                                                                    
     this time  - ...  it's presumed.   In other  words, the                                                                    
     presumption is that it's okay,  and the burden of proof                                                                    
     would shift to the prosecution,  to the people who were                                                                    
     bringing  the  complaint,  to show  that  it  wasn't  a                                                                    
     benefit to the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said there  are four situations in which                                                               
a person's attendance  is considered a benefit to  the state, and                                                               
they are  listed in language on  page 3, lines 12-21,  of Version                                                               
C, [Section 3(g)(2)(A)-(D)], which read as follows:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
               (A) the person's attendance at the event is                                                                      
     required for official action of the state;                                                                                 
               (B) the event is state-sponsored and the                                                                         
     person's attendance is customary;                                                                                          
               (C) the person is attending as an official                                                                       
     representative of the state; or                                                                                            
               (D) the person is invited by the event's                                                                         
     sponsor   before   the   transportation   occurs,   the                                                                    
     invitation and  the person's attendance  are customary,                                                                    
     the event is related to  issues important to the state,                                                                    
     and the governor or lieutenant governor attend.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:23:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked  Representative  Gruenberg  for  an                                                               
example of when a child or  spouse would be required for official                                                               
action of the state.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG deferred to Ms. Bockmon.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN asked if there is an age range for "child".                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG answered  that it  could be  any child,                                                               
including  an  adult child.    He  deferred  to Ms.  Bockmon  for                                                               
further comment.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:24:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BOCKMON, regarding  Representative  Seaton's question,  said                                                               
there are  a lot of situations  in ethics that are  not foreseen.                                                               
She  said  she cannot  offer  a  concrete example;  however,  she                                                               
stated, "It  seemed to us  when we were drafting  the regulations                                                               
that we should allow for this."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said he is not  expressing opposition, but                                                               
he  just does  not  understand  when the  state  would require  a                                                               
spouse or  child of the  governor for  an official action  of the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:25:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said the language was  included because                                                               
it was  in regulation  and "seemed  like a  reasonable proposal."                                                               
He  recollected that  when Lady  Bird  Johnson was  in the  White                                                               
House,  she  was  in charge  of  certain  highway  beautification                                                               
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN said he thinks many  First Ladies have taken on causes                                                               
without being in an official capacity.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:26:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN  said in some instances  the governor and                                                               
lieutenant governor  are invited  to numerous  ceremonial events,                                                               
and  if  they  are  invited  to more  than  one  event  happening                                                               
simultaneously, they may need to assign  a family member to go in                                                               
their stead.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:27:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON said  it should  be acceptable  for the                                                               
governor's spouse  to join him/her  on a  trip to a  community in                                                               
Alaska, because that really pleases the public.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON reiterated  that  he is  not opposing  the                                                               
language,  but rather  is trying  to  understand through  example                                                               
what  subparagraph  (A) means.    He  asked  if the  language  in                                                               
Section 3(g)(2)(A)-(C)  [text provided previously]  is addressing                                                               
travel independent of the lieutenant governor or governor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG answered yes.   He said subparagraph (D)                                                               
requires the  attendance of the governor  or lieutenant governor,                                                               
while subparagraphs (A)-(C) could include independent travel.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:32:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG, in  response to  Chair Lynn,  said the                                                               
bill language does  not include parents, siblings,  or in-laws of                                                               
the executive.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:33:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  asked   Ms.  Bockmon   to  address   his                                                               
previously  stated  question  regarding  the meaning  of  "as  an                                                               
official  representative of  the  state," and  he  asked what  it                                                               
would take to designate someone as such.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:34:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BOCKMON  prefaced her answer  by noting that trying  to draft                                                               
standards  to address  this issue  was difficult.   She  said the                                                               
desire  was to  draft language  "that was  narrow and  related to                                                               
circumstances  where there  was  an identifiable  benefit to  the                                                               
state to have  the person there."   She said the use  of the word                                                               
"official"  [in  Section 3(g)(2)(C)]  refers  to  a situation  in                                                               
which  the  governor  or  lieutenant  governor  cannot  attend  a                                                               
function and  designates his/her spouse, for  example, to attend.                                                               
Furthermore, the term also applies  to the context in which first                                                               
ladies and  first gentlemen  take on  causes, such  as education,                                                               
which are important to the state.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:35:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG   noted  that   there  were   two  U.S.                                                               
Presidents  - one  a  bachelor  and the  other  a  widower -  who                                                               
depended on young relatives to represent them.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  asked if the  proposed legislation would allow  for a                                                               
similar situation  in which a governor  of Alaska did not  have a                                                               
spouse and needed a relative to serve as a host.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:37:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  answered no.   He asked Ms.  Bockmon if                                                               
she would  have a  problem with  an amendment  to include  such a                                                               
possibility.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:37:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BOCKMON responded that that would  be a policy choice for the                                                               
legislature.   She  said she  would have  no objection,  assuming                                                               
there  were no  legal  issues  presented in  the  language of  an                                                               
amendment.   She said,  "There are  situations in  which we  as a                                                               
state and  the citizens would  expect there to be  a host/hostess                                                               
situation perhaps,  and it wouldn't be  necessarily inappropriate                                                               
for  the state  to decide  as a  matter of  policy that  it would                                                               
cover such a person."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN suggested  that that amendment could  be considered in                                                               
the next committee of referral.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:39:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked if  there  would  be some  kind  of                                                               
public  declaration  that  someone  is  acting  in  the  official                                                               
capacity [of the governor or lieutenant governor].                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BOCKMON  said  she  does   not  believe  that  is  what  was                                                               
contemplated   under  the   regulation.     She  stated,   "These                                                               
situations  are all  so  specific to  the  circumstances and  ...                                                               
every time  you think that  you know  what the range  is, there's                                                               
something new."   She said if  someone is serving as  an honorary                                                               
chair  of a  committee, she  expects there  would have  been some                                                               
sort of  declaration made, whereas  in a situation  where someone                                                               
is going to  fill in for a governor unable  to attend a function,                                                               
she assumes  that would be the  result of a decision  made in the                                                               
governor's office.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:41:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said he thinks  the presumptions being made                                                               
should be clarified.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:42:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  stated his  intent as sponsor  that "if                                                               
somebody's an  official representative,  there must  be something                                                               
in the  official records to  do that."   He asked Ms.  Bockmon if                                                               
his stated intent would be sufficient  or if there needs to be an                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BOCKMON answered  that  there  is always  a  record kept  of                                                               
someone traveling; however, she  recommended that the legislature                                                               
would need  to clarify if it  wanted a record of  any declaration                                                               
that someone would be acting as an official representative.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG emphasized that that  is his intent.  He                                                               
opined that the best practice would be to put it in writing.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:45:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON warned  that  the  terms "spouse"  and                                                               
"child" have already been specified  in subsection (g), so "we're                                                               
going to have to adjust it there also."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG responded  that  his intent  is for  an                                                               
amendment to be made to address  that issue in the next committee                                                               
of referral.  He asked Representative  Seaton if he would be more                                                               
comfortable  with  the  addition  of a  definition  of  "official                                                               
designation".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON answered yes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:46:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON reemphasized the need for clarity.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  offered to work on  amendments to bring                                                               
back to the committee.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN said  he thinks "that might be better."   He explained                                                               
that  he would  like to  amend  the bill  to be  "as complete  as                                                               
possible" before moving  it out of committee.  He  opined that HB
289 is an important bill.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said he would  get input from  the bill                                                               
drafter and Ms. Bockmon when working on the amendments.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN suggested  that a  memorandum could  be required  for                                                               
certain "special cases."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG  said   he  thinks   [appointments  of                                                               
official  representatives of  the state]  should at  least be  in                                                               
writing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:48:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  directed attention to subparagraph  (B) in                                                               
Section 3, which read:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
       (B) the event is state-sponsored and the person's                                                                        
     attendance is customary;                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  if that  means a  certain event  or                                                               
would include a "similar" event.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN  offered  his   understanding  that  customary  means                                                               
something that has been done one or more times before.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:49:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  indicated he thinks the  language would                                                               
include similar events.  He offered an example.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:50:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  concurred, and  he recommended  adding "at                                                               
similar events" to subparagraph (B).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:50:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  invited more input from  the committee,                                                               
and  he said  he  could have  the amendments  ready  by the  next                                                               
committee meeting.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:50:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN, after ascertaining there was no one else who wished                                                                 
to testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:51:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced that HB 289 was held over.                                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
01 HB0291A.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 291
02 HB 291 Vets Bonds Sponsor Statement.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 291
03 HB291 AHFC Vets Sec Analysis.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 291
04 Updated AHFC Vets Loan Activity.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
05 HB291-DOR-AHFC-2-10-10.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 291
06 HB0291-1-1-011910-GOV-Y.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 291
01 HB 289 - Full Text.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HSTA 2/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 289
02 HB 289 Sponsor Statement.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HSTA 2/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 289
03 HB 289 Sectional.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HSTA 2/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 289
04 Proposed Reg Changes.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HSTA 2/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 289
05 Legal Opinion 2-12-10 - Exec Ethics.HB 289 pdf.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HSTA 2/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 289
01A CS for HB 289.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 289
01B Explanation of Changes HB 289.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 289
06 HB289-OOG-EO-2-19-10.pdf HSTA 2/23/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 289