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02/19/2015 11:15 AM Senate SPECIAL CMTE ON THE ARCTIC

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11:16:31 AM Start
11:17:22 AM HB1
11:53:26 AM Adjourn
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                    HB 1-STATE ARCTIC POLICY                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  stated that the  committee would take up  HB 1,                                                               
an Act declaring the Arctic  policy for the state. [CSHB 1(EDA)AM                                                               
was  before  the  committee.]  She  related that  HB  1  and  its                                                               
companion  bill SB  16  are  the products  of  the Alaska  Arctic                                                               
Policy Commission's  work over the  last two years. She  said she                                                               
and Representative  Bob Herron served  as co-chairs of  AAPC. She                                                               
noted that  Senators Olson, Stevens,  and Giessel also  served on                                                               
the commission and worked on the bill.                                                                                          
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE noted the presence  of Senator Olson and Senator                                                               
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL moved  to adopt  the proposed  SCS for  CSHB 1,                                                               
version  29-LS0013\S, as  the working  document.  There being  no                                                               
objection, version S was before the committee.                                                                                  
11:30:07 AM                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE BOB  HERRON, Alaska State Legislature,  sponsor of                                                               
HB 1, explained that the  bill is AAPC's statutory responsibility                                                               
to deliver a  bill that all 26 members worked  on. The report has                                                               
three products,  the Final Report,  the Implementation  Plan, and                                                               
Executive  Summary. He  said  HB  1 puts  people  first and  will                                                               
benefit  the entire  state. It  strengthens Alaska's  position in                                                               
the Arctic with the federal  government and other Arctic nations,                                                               
and will lead to economic benefit in the Arctic region.                                                                         
He said  there are eight findings  in Section 1 of  the bill. The                                                               
one  that is  the  most  important is  that  Alaskans are  Arctic                                                               
experts. He  related in Section  2, the bill declares  the Arctic                                                               
policy  will  uphold  the   state's  commitment  to  economically                                                               
vibrant   communities   sustained   by   development   activities                                                               
consistent  with   the  state's   responsibility  for   a  health                                                               
environment,  collaborate   with  all  appropriate   entities  to                                                               
achieve  transparency   and  inclusiveness  in   Arctic  decision                                                               
making, enhance  Alaska security,  and strengthen  the resilience                                                               
of communities  and integrate local knowledge.  The Arctic policy                                                               
of the state includes  promoting economic development, addressing                                                               
the  infrastructure   gap  in  the  Arctic,   supporting  healthy                                                               
communities,  and   strengthening  Alaskan  Arctic   science  and                                                               
11:32:08 AM                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON stated support  for version S. He clarified                                                               
that on page 4, line  22, the words "resource management decision                                                               
making" were deleted. He said  he thought the commission's target                                                               
was the  federal government.  He said  he explained  to Secretary                                                               
Jewell that  the state  is the local  jurisdiction and  should be                                                               
included. In spite  of concern for that part of  the sentence, he                                                               
said he supports the SCS.                                                                                                       
11:34:03 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR OLSON  pointed out  that there also  has been  a deletion                                                               
related to the  ratification of the Law of the  Sea. He requested                                                               
Representative Herron's comments.                                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  HERRON said  there was  not unanimous  support by                                                               
the commission  to include that  provision, however, there  was a                                                               
healthy dialogue. In  the end, it is an issue  before the Senate.                                                               
He  concluded that  it is  out of  place in  this document  which                                                               
relates to  Arctic policy. He agreed  that the Law of  the Sea is                                                               
important to many  in the state, but Alaska needs  to address its                                                               
relationship with the federal government.                                                                                       
SENATOR HOFFMAN  referred to Representative Herron's  comments on                                                               
resource management decisions and  said the federal government is                                                               
going to contact  and involve people of  the Arctic, particularly                                                               
those in the Northwest Arctic Borough  and in the North Slope. He                                                               
suggested there should be a  dialogue whether that wording should                                                               
be included  or not in  the document.  By excluding it,  it seems                                                               
that  the  federal government,  on  those  issues, are  going  to                                                               
contact the people of the  Arctic. He emphasized that the federal                                                               
government should also consult the state of Alaska.                                                                             
11:36:20 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR COGHILL agreed.  He said line 23 (b) is  important. It is                                                               
not a subset, but a main  point. "Enhances security of the Arctic                                                               
Region" would  be a subset  of that main  point. He opined  it is                                                               
emphatically stated. He said he could go either way on it.                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  pointed out  that there has  been vigorous                                                               
debate in  previous hearings. He  recalled the  model legislation                                                               
which  became  HB  1  and  SB  16  was  not  about  coastal  zone                                                               
management.  He noted  the deletion  is  not a  deal breaker.  He                                                               
emphasized that Artic policy is  about the state dealing with the                                                               
federal  government   and  other  international   countries,  not                                                               
internal issues.                                                                                                                
11:38:51 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  OLSON spoke  as  the senator  most  impacted by  federal                                                               
decisions. He concurred with Senator Hoffman's comments.                                                                        
SENATOR COGHILL referred to the intent  language on page 1 of the                                                               
bill. It includes the entirety of  the state and residents of the                                                               
state. He suggested it should be  in the codifying section of the                                                               
SENATOR GIESSEL asked for clarification.                                                                                        
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE explained  that the committee is  working off of                                                               
the S  draft and comparing  it to I.A  version of the  bill [that                                                               
passed  the House.]  The  language being  discussed  is found  in                                                               
version S on  page 4, lines 21  and 22 (E). In version  I.A it is                                                               
found on page  4, lines 23-25. The comparison is  between the old                                                               
language "to  encourage more effective  integration of  local and                                                               
traditional  knowledge into  conventional science,  research, and                                                               
resource management  decision making,"  and the new  draft, which                                                               
deletes  "resource management  decision  making." She  summarized                                                               
that Senator Hoffman requested the old version remain.                                                                          
SENATOR COGHILL said  he missed the point and  was thinking about                                                               
including the state. However, the  sponsor is saying it refers to                                                               
strengthening the debate within the state.                                                                                      
SENATOR HOFFMAN  asked how to include  the idea, but not  in this                                                               
section, in  order to make  the point  at the federal  level that                                                               
the state  needs to be  consulted on resource  management issues.                                                               
He stressed  the importance of the  state being at the  table. He                                                               
added that it was the message at the meeting in Kotzebue.                                                                       
11:42:40 AM                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE  HERRON  pointed  out   that  many  repeated  this                                                               
message   to  Secretary   Jewell   in  private   and  in   public                                                               
discussions. The national strategy for  the Arctic Region and the                                                               
latest presidential executive order  emphatically state that they                                                               
will  consult and  have dialogue  with  the state  of Alaska  and                                                               
Alaskan  indigenous people.  He  added that  Alaska has  internal                                                               
debate  about  resource  management  decision  making,  but  this                                                               
wording is a clear message that  the feds "will do what they said                                                               
they  would do."  He  agreed  that it  is  not  elsewhere in  the                                                               
uncodified section.                                                                                                             
SENATOR  HOFFMAN   maintained  that  it  needs   to  be  included                                                               
somewhere.  He stated  that the  federal government  is going  to                                                               
consult the indigenous people on  many different levels. We, as a                                                               
state, want  to also  be at  the table  along with  everyone else                                                               
regarding resource development. Excluding  the wording gives more                                                               
power  to the  indigenous people  when dealing  with the  federal                                                               
SENATOR  GIESSEL  said  she  did   not  see  that  element  being                                                               
excluded. She  opined that lines  8 - 22 on  page 4 all  focus on                                                               
the notion to value and  strengthen the resilience of communities                                                               
and respect  and integrate the  culture, language,  and knowledge                                                               
of  Arctic  peoples. They  all  emphasis  a  seat at  the  table,                                                               
especially  (C)  -  employ integrated,  strategic  planning  that                                                               
considers scientific, local, and  traditional knowledge. She said                                                               
to call  it out  in terms of  management decision  making, raises                                                               
concerns  of   the  interpretation.  She  suggested   leaving  it                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  HERRON referred  to page  3, lines  13 -  15, the                                                               
"need  to  collaborate with  all  levels  of government,  tribes,                                                               
industry,   and   nongovernmental    organizations   to   achieve                                                               
transparent  and  inclusive  Arctic   decision  making."  In  the                                                               
codified  section,  all  subjects   are  included.  He  said  the                                                               
commission learned a new phrase  in Kotzebue; a new definition of                                                               
"non-government  organizations"  is  called ENGO's,  with  the  E                                                               
standing for  "environment." He said  ENGO's are not  included in                                                               
this section.                                                                                                                   
11:47:19 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR OLSON pointed out if  you don't consult the local people,                                                               
you don't  get all the  opinions. The legislators and  the Alaska                                                               
Federation of  Natives were of  one mindset; however,  the people                                                               
south of the Brooks Range were not in agreement.                                                                                
11:48:09 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE called Senator  Bishop's forthcoming amendment -                                                               
Amendment I.                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP  moved to adopt  conceptual Amendment I, to  add a                                                               
new (G)  under Section 2:  "Encourage the connection  between the                                                               
state  public  and  private   education  systems  with  business,                                                               
government,  and  labor  to  ensure   that  state  residents  are                                                               
receiving  workforce readiness  skills  throughout the  education                                                               
SENATOR COGHILL objected.                                                                                                       
SENATOR BISHOP  explained that Amendment  I fits into  the spirit                                                               
of the entire bill. He said  at the beginning of the meeting, the                                                               
committee heard  numerous indigenous people talk  about the value                                                               
of education and  the ability to make a living  in the Arctic. He                                                               
read the  amendment: "Encourage the connection  between the state                                                               
public and  private education systems with  business, government,                                                               
and labor to ensure that  state residents are receiving workforce                                                               
readiness skills throughout the education process."                                                                             
He said the state  is already doing that but he  felt that it was                                                               
imperative that  it is stated in  the bill to meet  the spirit of                                                               
the intent of the people living in the Arctic.                                                                                  
11:49:55 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL countered  that the  state has  no jurisdiction                                                               
over  private education  systems. The  amendment calls  out three                                                               
entities - business, government, and  labor, as though labor were                                                               
a specific  entity when 87 percent  of the state is  not a member                                                               
of a  labor union.  She said  she is  not sure  what government's                                                               
role  in the  workforce is.  She argued  that there  are multiple                                                               
workforce plans  in place. She suggested  reworking the amendment                                                               
to call  out a  continued effort on  workforce readiness  and the                                                               
connection between education and business.                                                                                      
SENATOR  BISHOP clarified  that  labor does  not imply  organized                                                               
labor. Training  plans through the Department  of Labor encompass                                                               
all types of  education systems to deliver  the workforce; public                                                               
and  private. This  is not  reinventing the  wheel; the  delivery                                                               
mechanisms are  in the state. He  said his intention is  to embed                                                               
them in  the Arctic policy to  ensure that all Alaskans  have the                                                               
skills necessary to work in the Arctic.                                                                                         
11:52:32 AM                                                                                                                   
At ease                                                                                                                         
11:53:26 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE brought the meeting  back to order. She said the                                                               
committee would work on an  amendment on workforce development in                                                               
the Arctic.  She recessed  the meeting  to a  call of  the chair.                                                               
[The committee did not reconvene until the next scheduled                                                                       
meeting on 2/26/15.]                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB1 - Sponsor Statement.pdf SARC 2/19/2015 11:15:00 AM
HB 1
HB 1 Summary of Changes.pdf SARC 2/19/2015 11:15:00 AM
HB 1
HB1 (EDA) am Legislation.PDF SARC 2/19/2015 11:15:00 AM
HB 1
HB1 Fiscal Note DEC-Spar.PDF SARC 2/19/2015 11:15:00 AM
HB 1
HB1 Fiscal Note DEC-Water.PDF SARC 2/19/2015 11:15:00 AM
HB 1
HB1 Fiscal Note DHS.PDF SARC 2/19/2015 11:15:00 AM
HB 1
HB1 Fiscal Note LEG.PDF SARC 2/19/2015 11:15:00 AM
HB 1
HB1 - Sectional Analysis.pdf SARC 2/19/2015 11:15:00 AM
HB 1
Senate CS for CS for HB1 Version S.pdf SARC 2/19/2015 11:15:00 AM
HB 1