Legislature(2015 - 2016)BUTROVICH 205

02/16/2016 03:30 PM EDUCATION

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03:32:16 PM Start
03:33:05 PM SB174
04:34:25 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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Heard & Held
         SB 174-REG. OF FIREARMS/KNIVES BY UNIV. OF AK                                                                      
3:33:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNLEAVY announced the consideration of SB 174.                                                                           
SENATOR PETE KELLY, Alaska State  Legislature, sponsor of SB 174,                                                               
related  that  the  reason  behind the  bill  is  the  escalating                                                               
incidence of mass  shootings and the prohibiting of  guns in gun-                                                               
free  areas  making many  public  institutions  soft targets  for                                                               
people with  serious mental  problems and  terrorists to  act. He                                                               
referred to examples  of gun laws that were  ineffective. He said                                                               
the  University  Board of  Regents  has  made the  University  of                                                               
Alaska  campuses  gun  free.  He  maintained  that  shooters  are                                                               
targeting  such  places.  He  pointed  out  that  people  have  a                                                               
constitutional right to keep and bear arms.                                                                                     
3:35:52 PM                                                                                                                    
JOE BYRNES, Staff, Senator Pete  Kelly, Alaska State Legislature,                                                               
presented  information   on  SB   174.  He  commented   that  the                                                               
constitution says, "The right to keep  and bear arms shall not be                                                               
denied or infringed by the  state or political subdivision of the                                                               
SENATOR   KELLY  said   the  Board   of   Regents,  a   political                                                               
subdivision, has  infringed upon that  right. He agreed  that the                                                               
Board of  Regents has  some duty to  provide security  on campus.                                                               
The bill allows the board  to regulate the possession of firearms                                                               
in  certain circumstances  and beyond  certain  points. The  bill                                                               
prevents  the board  from  posting signs  stating  that guns  are                                                               
forbidden  on  campus.  He  referred   to  the  theater  shooting                                                               
incident in Colorado as an  example of how shooters target places                                                               
where guns are not allowed.                                                                                                     
SENATOR KELLY  said the  bill is  simple, but  controversial, and                                                               
the people  of Alaska have  said they wish  to, and have  a right                                                               
to, carry  concealed weapons. Not  allowing this right  on Alaska                                                               
campuses is  putting students in  danger. He noted there  are 150                                                               
campuses in the U.S. that  have allowed concealed carry without a                                                               
single incidence.                                                                                                               
3:38:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked if SB 174  is the same as Senator Coghill's                                                               
previous bill.                                                                                                                  
SENATOR KELLY said it is similar with some changes.                                                                             
3:40:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BYRNES read from the sectional analysis of the bill:                                                                        
Section 1                                                                                                                       
It is the  findings and intent of the legislature  that the right                                                               
to bear arms is constitutionally  protected under Art. 1, Sec. 19                                                               
of the Alaska  Constitution, that the University  Of Alaska Board                                                               
Of  Regents  may not  abridge  that  right, and  the  legislature                                                               
reserves to the state the authority to regulate firearms.                                                                       
Section 2                                                                                                                       
Amends  AS 14.40  (The  University of  Alaska  and the  Community                                                               
Colleges statutes)  affirming the authority to  regulate firearms                                                               
and knives  is reserved to  the state  and except as  provided by                                                               
statute,  the Board  of  Regents may  not  regulate firearms  and                                                               
The Board  of Regents may  adopt and enforce  policies regulating                                                               
the  open   carry  of  firearms   and  knives,   restricting  the                                                               
discharge, and  prohibiting the  possession in  restricted access                                                               
areas:  on  land where  there  is  a reasonable  likelihood  that                                                               
people, animals, or property will be  in jeopardy, and in an area                                                               
beyond a secure point where visitors are screened.                                                                              
The  University  is  prohibited   from  creating  a  database  or                                                               
registry of persons who possess firearms on campus.                                                                             
The University is  also immune from civil  liability for policies                                                               
enforced under this section.                                                                                                    
Section 3                                                                                                                       
The Board  of Regents have  30 days  after the effective  date to                                                               
adopt conforming policies.                                                                                                      
3:42:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS asked for an explanation of the immunity clause.                                                                
MR. BYRNES  referred to a  memo from  legal services. He  said it                                                               
would help prevent frivolous lawsuits  against the university for                                                               
enacting policies conforming to Alaska statutes.                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  gave an  example of a  shooting on  campus where                                                               
students were  killed and the  parents filed a lawsuit.  He asked                                                               
if the university was liable.                                                                                                   
3:43:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KELLY thought  the  bill would  not  change anything  in                                                               
current law. He offered to provide a copy of the legal opinion.                                                                 
MR. BYRNES suggested asking legal services that question.                                                                       
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  asked if  open  carry  is currently  allowed  on                                                               
SENATOR KELLY said  the university is currently  able to regulate                                                               
open carry and the bill does not change that.                                                                                   
CHAIR DUNLEAVY said that decision is made by the regents.                                                                       
JOE BYRNES  clarified that  SB 174 says  that the  university may                                                               
adopt policies that would restrict  the open carrying of firearms                                                               
and  knives. They  must not  adopt policies  that would  restrict                                                               
concealed carry.                                                                                                                
3:45:03 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER asked  what  the current  process is  for                                                               
getting a concealed carry permit.                                                                                               
MR.  BYRNES stated  that a  concealed carry  permit would  not be                                                               
required under  SB 174.  Concealed carry  permits are  offered by                                                               
the  Department of  Public Safety.  The process  involves a  fee,                                                               
training, fingerprinting, and a background check.                                                                               
SENATOR GARDNER asked when a concealed carry permit is required.                                                                
SENATOR KELLY said  anyone 18 and older can  carry concealed. The                                                               
person must be 21  or older and go through a  process to obtain a                                                               
concealed carry permit.                                                                                                         
3:46:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GARDNER asked why anyone would get a permit.                                                                            
SENATOR KELLY said it could aid in getting a background check.                                                                  
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY added  that there  may  be reciprocal  agreements                                                               
with other states.                                                                                                              
3:47:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  the National  Instant Criminal  Background                                                               
Check System (NICS)  serves as a background  check for purchasing                                                               
firearms. He  provided an examples  of a student who  had hunting                                                               
guns on  campus in his  car and  a student who  has a gun  in the                                                               
dorm  room.  He  asked  what current  rules  the  university  has                                                               
regarding those examples.                                                                                                       
MR. BYRNES said current university  policy requires that the guns                                                               
be locked up in the vehicle  or in storage. The campus has places                                                               
to lock them up.                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY  suggested looking  at the regulations  proposed by                                                               
the university regarding open carry in dorms.                                                                                   
3:49:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GARDNER  asked if  there  are  limitations on  concealed                                                               
carry  other than  on federal  property and  in K-12  schools and                                                               
MR. BURNES  said there  are areas in  Alaska where  people cannot                                                               
conceal  carry  a  weapon:  in  a  person's  home  without  their                                                               
permission,  where alcohol  is  served  for on-site  consumption,                                                               
except in restaurants,  in or around K-12 schools or  on a school                                                               
bus, except with the consent of  an administrator, in or around a                                                               
child  care facility,  in a  court  house or  in justice  related                                                               
entities, and in a domestic violence or sexual assault shelter.                                                                 
SENATOR  GARDNER asked  if  there are  any  limitations based  on                                                               
characteristics  of  an  individual, such  as  domestic  violence                                                               
convictions or threats to persons.                                                                                              
SENATOR  KELLY said  those restrictions  happen during  the court                                                               
case;  a  conviction for  domestic  violence,  a felony,  forbids                                                               
access to firearms.                                                                                                             
MR.  BYRNES  said those  individuals  would  fail the  background                                                               
CHAIR DUNLEAVY said it prevents legal access to firearms.                                                                       
SENATOR GARDNER  inquired if a  person who has been  charged many                                                               
times,  but  never convicted  of  domestic  violence, would  have                                                               
restrictions to concealed carry.                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY did not think so.                                                                                                 
CHAIR DUNLEAVY said that should be checked out.                                                                                 
3:52:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL asked  why this  bill is  needed other  than for                                                               
constitutional rights and to prevent shootings.                                                                                 
SENATOR  KELLY thought  those alone  were  compelling reasons  to                                                               
have the bill.  There are situations where  concealed carry stops                                                               
bad  guys with  guns,  but they  do not  get  reported. There  is                                                               
evidence that  those who  carry stop  shooters. He  listed places                                                               
where people  were killed by  shooters who targeted  easy places.                                                               
Since 1958, all but two public  mass shootings have been in areas                                                               
where concealed carry was not allowed.                                                                                          
3:55:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL said  her interest  is providing  protection for                                                               
young  women  who  live  on  campus by  allowing  them  to  carry                                                               
concealed. She asked if there is any data on that type of issue.                                                                
3:55:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BYRNES referred  to a study that points  to improved outcomes                                                               
for victims  that have  weapons. He  noted law  enforcement comes                                                               
"after the fact."                                                                                                               
3:56:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY summarized  that  currently guns  are allowed  on                                                               
campus under specific circumstances.  He asked how many shootings                                                               
have been committed on Alaska campuses.                                                                                         
MR. BYRNES  offered to  find out.  He said he  does have  data on                                                               
crimes committed on campus.                                                                                                     
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  said currently  guns  are  allowed if  they  are                                                               
locked up. He  wanted to know the statistics about  the number of                                                               
guns and  the number  of murders  on campus.  He stated  that the                                                               
bill does  not criminalize  concealed carry  on campus.  He asked                                                               
what the current penalties are for concealed carry on campus.                                                                   
MR. BYRNES  replied that according  to regent's  policy, students                                                               
who have  a weapon  are subject  to administrative  sanctions. He                                                               
thought the person  with a weapon would be asked  to leave campus                                                               
and could be given a no trespassing sanction.                                                                                   
CHAIR DUNLEAVY gave  an example of a teacher who  kicks a student                                                               
out of  a class for having  a gun in  his bag. He noted  guns are                                                               
allowed  on  campus  in certain  circumstances.  He  thought  the                                                               
university could  provide the answer  as to what would  happen to                                                               
that student.                                                                                                                   
4:00:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KELLY  referred  to Umpqua  Community  College  shooting                                                               
where  the Oregon  State Supreme  Court  had determined  students                                                               
could carry  on campus; however,  the student handbook  said they                                                               
couldn't because the Board of Regents had ignored the law.                                                                      
CHAIR DUNLEAVY noted that there  are students who carry concealed                                                               
on  campus now  and their  concern is  over ramifications  by the                                                               
4:02:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GARDNER  referred to  a  document  where the  university                                                               
lists the  number of  offenses at each  campus over  three years.                                                               
She related that  the Anchorage campus has the  most problems and                                                               
most are liquor law violations,  a little drug abuse, and several                                                               
sexual assaults, almost all in the dorms.                                                                                       
SENATOR GIESSEL inquired  about page 2, lines 5  and 6, regarding                                                               
regulating  possession.  She  asked  if it  is  the  intent  that                                                               
individuals  would be  required to  have a  concealed carry  card                                                               
after  taking  a course  that  emphasized  the responsibility  of                                                               
concealed carry.                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY  said no.  It is  up to  the legislature  to decide                                                               
when and how a student could conceal carry.                                                                                     
CHAIR DUNLEAVY  said under SB 174  rifles would still need  to be                                                               
locked in cars or lock boxes.                                                                                                   
4:04:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GARDNER  asked, since  the  university  is considered  a                                                               
political subdivision  of the  state like  the state  capital, by                                                               
what authority is the capital able to be weapons-free.                                                                          
SENATOR KELLY explained that it is  state law. This bill does not                                                               
address that.                                                                                                                   
SENATOR GARDNER commented  that there is a statute  that says you                                                               
can prohibit guns in the state capital building.                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  asked  if  Senator Gardner  wished  to  make  an                                                               
SENATOR GARDNER said no. She wondered,  "If what was good for the                                                               
goose, was good for the  gander." She asked about having sporting                                                               
events, public  speaker events, or  conference venues  being gun-                                                               
free due to the tendency toward ire-producing atmospheres.                                                                      
4:06:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNLEAVY opened public testimony.                                                                                         
JIM  JOHNSEN,  President,  University  of  Alaska,  testified  in                                                               
opposition  to  SB 174.  He  recognized  that  the issue  is  not                                                               
whether  the university  is for  or against  guns in  the broader                                                               
community. The university firearms  regulations don't extend into                                                               
the community at  large, they apply only  university campuses and                                                               
to situations  and people  for which  the university  is uniquely                                                               
responsible.  The university  must intervene  daily in  conflicts                                                               
and manage how students and employees interact with each other.                                                                 
DR.  JOHNSEN  said  he  believes   the  bill  would  prevent  the                                                               
university  and  the regents  from  managing  specific and  known                                                               
problems. As a result, the  university request amendments in five                                                               
specific areas:  when student behavior  indicates a risk  of harm                                                               
to themselves or  others; in student dormitories  or other shared                                                               
living  quarters,   in  K-12  programs  on   campus,  in  health,                                                               
counseling,  discrimination, harassment,  and  Title IX  offices,                                                               
and   in  adjudication   of  staff   or   student  disputes,   or                                                               
disciplinary  issues.  He  stressed   that  these  areas  require                                                               
regulation and parallel restrictions  found in criminal law. They                                                               
would allow the university to act before something happens.                                                                     
4:10:53 PM                                                                                                                    
DR. JOHNSEN  further addressed each  of the  proposed amendments.                                                               
For behavior indicating risk or harm,  under SB 174, a student or                                                               
employee  who  exhibits   depression,  suicidal  gestures,  overt                                                               
hostility or aggression,  must be allowed his or  her weapon. The                                                               
"Report  to the  NRA" by  the National  School Shield  Task Force                                                               
recommends that  schools act promptly to  behavior that indicates                                                               
a  risk.  Suicide  is  the  second leading  cause  of  death  for                                                               
American college students. Alaska's  suicide rate is nearly twice                                                               
the  national average  and  is  the leading  cause  of death  for                                                               
people ages  15 to  24. Suicide  attempts involving  firearms are                                                               
almost always fatal. The campus actively works on these issues.                                                                 
DR.  JOHNSEN spoke  to the  second suggested  amendment regarding                                                               
dormitories or  other shared student  housing. The  university is                                                               
responsible for  students' wellbeing and staff  monitors students                                                               
in their  living quarters. Under  the bill, the  student advisors                                                               
and resident assistants would have  to deal with students who may                                                               
or may  not be armed  and intoxicated. Half of  resident students                                                               
are  under 21  and may  not legally  carry concealed  weapons and                                                               
don't  necessarily  get  to   choose  their  roommates.  Allowing                                                               
current university  regulation would be consistent  with criminal                                                               
law  age  limits  on concealed  carry,  alcohol  restrictions  on                                                               
possession  of  firearms,  as  well  as  requirements  for  adult                                                               
resident consent  to concealed carry  in a residence. He  said he                                                               
would  not rely  on criminal  law alone  to manage  a residential                                                               
DR. JOHNSEN  addressed proposed Amendment 3  - dedicated programs                                                               
for  K-12  students, which  are  run  year round  and  especially                                                               
during  the summer.  Allowing UA  regulation would  be consistent                                                               
with existing  state law governing  K-12 grounds,  buildings, and                                                               
events. They  would also allow  UA to  meet the standard  of care                                                               
suggested by those laws.                                                                                                        
He  explained that  proposed  Amendment 4  relates  to places  of                                                               
counseling services  or other services  for sexual  harassment or                                                               
violence.  SB   174  would  require   the  university   to  allow                                                               
disgruntled or  stressed out parties  to bring  concealed weapons                                                               
to investigative  or other meetings  and to places  where victims                                                               
are seeking  services. Allowing the  university to  regulate that                                                               
would parallel  state law that  makes possession of a  firearm on                                                               
the grounds of a domestic violence shelter a crime.                                                                             
DR.   JOHNSEN   explained    proposed   Amendment   5   regarding                                                               
adjudication  of  staff  or  student  disputes.  He  said  during                                                               
adjudication of  disputes or disciplinary issues,  the bill would                                                               
require the university to allow  potentially combative and highly                                                               
stressed students and employees to  carry a concealed weapon to a                                                               
grievance   hearing  or   adjudication   hearing.  Allowing   the                                                               
university  to  regulate  that  would  be  more  consistent  with                                                               
current state law  that makes possession of a firearm  in a court                                                               
facility a crime.                                                                                                               
He concluded without these changes UA  will not be able to manage                                                               
these  foreseeable,  high  conflict, high  risk  situations  that                                                               
occur on campus daily. He  believed that responding after a crime                                                               
has  occurred  is  not   sufficient;  legislators,  parents,  and                                                               
students  expect  more. He  stressed  that  regulations in  these                                                               
circumstances  has value  and UA's  policies allow  them to  take                                                               
preventative action. The university does  not believe the bill is                                                               
necessary given  the restricted  environment to  which university                                                               
rules are applicable.                                                                                                           
The university's regulations are  in the category of restrictions                                                               
on  weapons in  government buildings  and schools,  recognized by                                                               
the  courts  and  legislature  as   sensitive  places  where  the                                                               
regulation of  firearms is presumptively  lawful and  outside the                                                               
scope of  constitutional protection.  He stated that  UA campuses                                                               
are   very  similar   to  circumstances   in  which   Alaska  law                                                               
criminalizes  weapons  possession.  He  said  if  the  bill  goes                                                               
forward the  university respectfully requests changes  be made to                                                               
protect the  Board of Regents  and the  university administration                                                               
and to  allow them to  govern the university  as constitutionally                                                               
4:16:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KELLY  said the denial  of constitutional rights  is what                                                               
the bill  is trying to  address. He agreed  with four out  of the                                                               
five  recommendations  the university  pointed  out  - there  are                                                               
places "you don't bring your gun."  He noted it is also important                                                               
to have the Board of Regents  not putting a "wet blanket" on this                                                               
constitutional right.                                                                                                           
4:18:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  which provision  Senator  Kelly does  not                                                               
agree with it.                                                                                                                  
SENATOR KELLY opined that parents  should be allowed to have guns                                                               
at university K-12 programs.                                                                                                    
4:20:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY asked  whether disturbed  students are  currently                                                               
prohibited from having a gun in the trunk of their car.                                                                         
DR. JOHNSEN offered to get back to the committee on that.                                                                       
SENATOR STEVENS  asked if there would  be a need for  more police                                                               
protection if SB 174 were to pass.                                                                                              
DR.  JOHNSEN  replied  that  there  would be  a  need  to  expand                                                               
security  and add  a  police  force to  the  campus in  Southeast                                                               
Alaska and in thirteen other campuses, at significant cost.                                                                     
4:22:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GARDNER asked  about UA's  ability to  manage high  risk                                                               
situations.  She asked  what Dr.  Johnsen meant  about protecting                                                               
the Board of Regent members. She requested an email response.                                                                   
SENATOR HUGGINS  spoke of  the need  for additional  security. He                                                               
said many  people could  qualify to volunteer  to be  security on                                                               
4:24:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT OGEN, representing  himself, testified in favor  of SB 174.                                                               
He  shared his  experience of  wishing  he could  have carried  a                                                               
weapon  when he  worked in  the Atwood  Building. He  agreed that                                                               
shooters  frequent  no-carry  zones.   He  spoke  in  support  of                                                               
reasonable regulations on campus.                                                                                               
4:26:50 PM                                                                                                                    
LILY POTHIER, Student,  University of Alaska-Southeast, testified                                                               
in opposition  to SB 174.  She maintained that the  bill directly                                                               
affects students' sense of security.  She said concealed carry on                                                               
campus affects  safety in areas  other than just  mass shootings,                                                               
such  as violent  situations on  college campuses.  She suggested                                                               
that differentials  in powers would  arise from  having concealed                                                               
weapons  on campus  and this  could affect  relationships between                                                               
students, and  staff and students.  The change that happens  in a                                                               
public space  is not  positive when people  are allowed  to carry                                                               
weapons.  People feel  less comfortable  with  other people,  not                                                               
safe or  full of well-being.  If the  goal is to  increase campus                                                               
safety, a solution  is to have armed guards,  not armed students.                                                               
She concluded  there should be  a registry and  screening process                                                               
for people with guns on campus.                                                                                                 
4:30:35 PM                                                                                                                    
ZHENIA   PETERSON,  Student,   University  of   Alaska-Anchorage,                                                               
testified in opposition to SB  174. She said allowing students to                                                               
carry concealed guns  on campus would increase  injury and death.                                                               
She spoke of her experience living  on campus and said minors and                                                               
older students abuse alcohol. It  would be dangerous for students                                                               
who use alcohol to have guns.  The living quarters are very close                                                               
and  it  could  be  dangerous to  have  students  with  concealed                                                               
weapons who have not been screened.                                                                                             
4:32:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SAMANTHA   SAVAGE,  Student,   University  of   Alaska-Southeast,                                                               
testified in opposition  to SB 174. She pointed  out that suicide                                                               
the second leading  cause of death among college  students and is                                                               
a major crisis in Alaska. Many  studies have shown that access to                                                               
firearms and  alcohol are  risk factors  for suicide.  She shared                                                               
her experience on  campus with suicides related  to firearms. She                                                               
spoke in  support of  the university's  efforts to  protect their                                                               
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY left  public testimony  open and  held SB  174 in                                                               

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
1. SB 174 Sponsor Statement.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
2. SB 174 Sectional Analysis version H.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
3. SB 174 Letters of Support (Feb 11-13).pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
4. SB 174 UA Headcount by Age and Academic Organization.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
5. SB 174 Concealed Weapons Information.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
6. SB 174 Firearm ownership and possession information.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
7. SB 174 Municipal Regulation of Firearms and Knives.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
8. SB 174 NCSL Guns on Campus Overview.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
9. SB 174 Supporting News Articles.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
10. SB 174 UAF UAS UAA Campus Crime Statistics.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
11. SB 174 UA Regent's Policy 02-09 Public Safety.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
13. SB 174 UA Position.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
14. SB 174 UA Concerns on Concealed Carry.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
15. SB 174 UA Student Services Council Position.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
16. SB 174 AK Suicide Facts.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
17. SB 174 Legal Memo - Immunity From Civil Liability.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
18. SB 174 The Impact of Victim Self-Protection on Rape Completion and Injury.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174
12. SB 174 Letters of Opposition.pdf SEDC 2/16/2016 3:30:00 PM
SB 174