Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/16/2004 03:36 PM RES

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           SB 297-BEAR HUNTING/DISPOSAL OF HIDE/SKULL                                                                       
CHAIR SCOTT OGAN announced SB 297 to be up for consideration.                                                                   
SENATOR THOMAS WAGONER moved to adopt CSSB 297(RES), version \X.                                                                
CHAIR OGAN objected for discussion purposes. He explained that                                                                  
on page 2 there's a lot of concern.                                                                                             
     There  has been  testimony from  the Department  of Law                                                                    
     that allowing  non-resident hunters  to hunt  without a                                                                    
     guide  may  compromise   the  safety  requirements  for                                                                    
     requiring a  guide for dangerous game  like bears. This                                                                    
     is  not a  hunt; this  is a  bear predation  management                                                                    
     program. So, it is not a hunt.                                                                                             
CHAIR OGAN said that language on  page 2, line 19, added "and has                                                               
taken big  game in the  state during  at least one  calendar year                                                               
and who  has obtained  a hunter  safety certificate  issued under                                                               
(f) of  this section"  to require the  person has  legally hunted                                                               
big game already in at least  two calendar years. He thought this                                                               
went a long way to address safety concerns.                                                                                     
SENATOR WAGONER  asked how  a person would  prove that  they have                                                               
legally  hunted  big  game  in  the state  during  at  least  two                                                               
calendar years.                                                                                                                 
CHAIR  OGAN replied  that they  would have  to sign  an affidavit                                                               
saying that  they have done it.  It is a misdemeanor  if they lie                                                               
about it. "There's a certain amount of trust factor in it...."                                                                  
He said the next change is  on page 3, section (f), that provides                                                               
the hunter  safety course. He  asked Mr. Robus if  the department                                                               
would have the authority to require a safety course.                                                                            
MR.  MATT ROBUS,  Director,  Division  of Wildlife  Conservation,                                                               
answered  that  he  has  the   authority  to  provide  reasonable                                                               
training for  people who are going  to go out and  deal with wild                                                               
animals, especially big game.                                                                                                   
CHAIR OGAN  said the  next change  is on page  3, line  29, which                                                               
increases the  fee to  $250 when the  department seals  the bear.                                                               
"So, there's no money up front,  but if you get one, you're going                                                               
to pay a  couple bucks. That should more than  offset the cost of                                                               
doing the training."                                                                                                            
He indicated that  Mr. Robus nodded when he said  the fiscal note                                                               
is zero.                                                                                                                        
SENATOR  SEEKINS  continued explaining  the  CS  saying that  all                                                               
references  to  this  program  are  changed  to  "bear  predation                                                               
management permit".  Military people  who want to  accompany have                                                               
the same requirement to be consistent with the rest of the bill.                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS moved conceptual Amendment 1.                                                                                   
CHAIR OGAN objected to discuss where it would be inserted.                                                                      
SENATOR WAGONER noted that they hadn't adopted the CS, yet.                                                                     
SENATOR SEEKINS recognized that and withdrew his motion.                                                                        
CHAIR  OGAN maintained  his objection  to the  CS and  then noted                                                               
there were  no further objections  and CSSB 297(RES),  version X,                                                               
was adopted.                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SEEKINS  moved conceptual Amendment 1.  He explained that                                                               
it  instructs the  Board of  Game  to implement  the methods  and                                                               
means necessary  to effectively  carry out  the purposes  of bear                                                               
predator management.                                                                                                            
MR. ROBUS acknowledged  the work that went into this  bill in two                                                               
days and  he thought the  CS took care  of the issues  he brought                                                               
forward before.  He didn't have  a problem with  language stating                                                               
the department and the board  shall apply the appropriate methods                                                               
in  areas  where  bear  populations  are deemed  to  have  to  be                                                               
     This does now  form something that is  analogous to the                                                                    
     wolf control  statute and regulations and  the findings                                                                    
     that come under those regulations.  Now I see the board                                                                    
     being  able  to  rather smoothly  incorporate  anything                                                                    
     that  has to  be taken  care of  in the  multi-predator                                                                    
     system  can   be  dealt   with  through   one  predator                                                                    
     management plan.                                                                                                           
CHAIR OGAN  removed his objection to  Amendment 1. He left  it up                                                               
to the drafter to put the language in the appropriate place.                                                                    
SENATOR SEEKINS  asked Mr. Robus  if he thought "the  board shall                                                               
authorize and department  shall implement" would be  more in line                                                               
with what the line of authority should be.                                                                                      
MR. ROBUS replied that is a good point.                                                                                         
     In  the wolf  predation  control  programs we're  doing                                                                    
     now,  we are  implementing  in the  sense  that we  are                                                                    
     managing  the  permits.   Certainly,  implementing  the                                                                    
     permit part  of the program is  a departmental function                                                                    
     and perhaps  kind of the combination  language you just                                                                    
     said is better.                                                                                                            
SENATOR SEEKINS moved to amend Amendment 1 to read:                                                                             
     The  board shall  authorize  and  the department  shall                                                                    
     implement whatever methods and means deemed necessary.                                                                     
There  were no  objections and  Amendment 1  was amended  for the                                                               
first time.                                                                                                                     
SENATOR SEEKINS said that this  legislature now sits and observes                                                               
what  the Board  of Game  does and  still has  the right,  if the                                                               
methods  and  means  are  not   authorized  and  implemented,  to                                                               
effectively reduce  the bear populations  in identified  areas to                                                               
give it legislative direction.                                                                                                  
CHAIR OGAN noted that there were no further comments.                                                                           
SENATOR SEEKINS moved to pass  CSSB 297(RES), from committee with                                                               
attached zero  fiscal note. There  were no objections and  it was                                                               
so ordered.  There being no  further business to come  before the                                                               
committee, he adjourned the meeting at 4:50 p.m.                                                                                

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