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04/16/2015 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:31:17 PM HB137
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        HB 137-HUNT/FISH/TRAP: FEES;LICENSES;EXEMPTIONS                                                                     
3:31:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  announced  the  consideration  of  HB  137  [CSHB
137(FIN)am was before the committee].                                                                                           
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO, representing  District 6,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau,  Alaska, sponsor  of HB 137,  explained that                                                               
this measure  is a  response from  a lot  of individuals  who are                                                               
concerned  about  raising hunting  and  fishing  license and  tag                                                               
He  explained  that  a  deficiency exists  between  the  cost  of                                                               
management  needs and  the  revenue  that is  brought  in by  the                                                               
license and tag fees. The biggest  change HB 137 makes is that it                                                               
raises   resident   and   non-resident  fishing,   trapping   and                                                               
combination license fees  to help deal with  this deficiency. The                                                               
most  significant change  in  any  of the  fees  is  to the  non-                                                               
resident fee for  big game tags. HB 137  also changes eligibility                                                               
for  low income  licenses: rather  than inserting  a number  into                                                               
statute, it actually switches over  to the federal poverty level,                                                               
which is currently set at $8,200 but changes on a routine basis.                                                                
This  bill has  gone through  several  iterations and  now has  a                                                               
voluntary fish and game  conservation decal available potentially                                                               
for  non-consumptive users  of the  resource, although  a lot  of                                                               
active  hunters and  fishermen  may also  purchase  the decal  to                                                               
continue  to  provide  funding   for  wildlife  conservation  and                                                               
fisheries.  The current  fishing surcharge  in the  bill will  be                                                               
combined  with the  fishing  and license  fee  once the  hatchery                                                               
bonds are paid.  The fishing license fee won't  increase, but the                                                               
$9 would  remain with  the current  fee, which  was added  in the                                                               
House Finance Committee.                                                                                                        
HB 137 raises  eligibility for the hunting,  fishing and trapping                                                               
license exemption  from age 60  to 62 and requires  renewal every                                                               
three years.  This is  over concerns that  some people  have been                                                               
issued  a lifetime  license and  aren't Alaska  residents anymore                                                               
but still come back to Alaska and use their lifetime license.                                                                   
HB 137  also raises the age  required for residents to  obtain an                                                               
actual free license from 16 years  old to 18 years, because these                                                               
people are still potentially high  school students who may not be                                                               
out in the adult workforce.                                                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO said  it has  been over  17 years  since                                                               
non-resident  fees had  been  raised and  24  years for  resident                                                               
fees. He concluded  that HB 137 is all about  opportunity and the                                                               
ability  to ensure  that Alaska  residents have  those incredible                                                               
hunting and fishing opportunities ahead of them.                                                                                
3:35:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL said  to her  this  bill represents  an effort  by                                                               
Alaska  Department of  Fish and  Game  (ADF&G) to  be more  self-                                                               
SENATOR STEDMAN  asked for a  walk-through and  justification for                                                               
the significant change of 50 to  100 percent. He also wanted more                                                               
explanation  on  the  bonded   indebtedness  of  the  hatcheries,                                                               
because  he was  under  the impression  that  the embedded  price                                                               
increase for sporting  fishing licenses was to pay  for those two                                                               
hatcheries -  one in Fairbanks  and one  in Anchorage -  would go                                                               
away when the bonds are paid.                                                                                                   
SENATOR STOLTZE  asked that the  Department of Law  (DOL) discuss                                                               
the Carlson issues at some point.                                                                                               
SENATOR GIESSEL  responded that they  will not  exhaustively hear                                                               
the bill today, but there will be other opportunities.                                                                          
3:38:33 PM                                                                                                                    
JOSHUA  BANKS, staff  to  Representative  Talerico, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, said a  legal opinion on the Carlson                                                               
cases from Legislative  Legal was in their  packets. According to                                                               
that opinion, the  Carlson cases apply to  commercial fishing and                                                               
not this bill.  This bill deals solely  with recreational hunting                                                               
and fishing.                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  asked Representative  Talerico if he  would like                                                               
to address Senator Stoltze's questions.                                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  responded that  Mr. Banks  could rapidly                                                               
go through a sectional analysis.                                                                                                
MR. BANKS provided a sectional analysis of HB 137 as follows:                                                                   
Section 1 repeals authorization for  money from the Fish and Game                                                               
Funds to pay for hatchery bonds.                                                                                                
Section  2 raises  the  resident license  requirement  age to  18                                                               
years and the exemption age to 62.                                                                                              
3:40:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI joined the committee.                                                                                      
Section 3 raises  the resident sport fishing license  from $15 to                                                               
$20 and the fee for residents who are blind from $0.25 to $0.50.                                                                
Section 4  deals with the  sport fishing surcharge,  bonding that                                                               
with the resident sport fish license.                                                                                           
Section 5 raises the hunting license from $25 to $30.                                                                           
Section  6  deals  with  the  hunting  and  trapping  combination                                                               
license from $39 to $45.                                                                                                        
Section 7 raises the trapping license from $15 to $20.                                                                          
Section  8 raises  the hunting  and  fishing combination  license                                                               
from $39 to $45.                                                                                                                
Section  9 amends  section 8  of this  bill by  combining the  $9                                                               
surcharge into the resident hunting and fishing license.                                                                        
Section 10  raises the hunting, trapping  and fishing combination                                                               
license from $53  to $60. It also changes the  low income license                                                               
eligibility so that a person is  only eligible for the low income                                                               
license if they meet the federal poverty level requirement.                                                                     
3:41:28 PM                                                                                                                    
Section 11  amends section 10 by  adding a $9 surcharge  into the                                                               
fishing, trapping, and hunting combination fee.                                                                                 
Section 12  amends the non-residents  sport fishing  license from                                                               
$50 to $60  for a 14-day license,  from $30 to $40  for the 7-day                                                               
license, from  $20 to $30 for  the 3-day license and  from $10 to                                                               
$15 for the 1-day license.                                                                                                      
Section  13 adds  the $9  surcharge into  the non-resident  sport                                                               
fishing license fees.                                                                                                           
Section 14  raises the annual non-resident  sport fishing license                                                               
from $100 to $150.                                                                                                              
3:42:39 PM                                                                                                                    
Section 15  adds the  $9 surcharge  into the  annual non-resident                                                               
fishing license.                                                                                                                
Section 16  raises the non-resident  hunting license from  $85 to                                                               
Section  17  increases  the  non-resident  hunting  and  trapping                                                               
combination license from $250 to $350.                                                                                          
Section 18  increases a number  of the non-resident big  game tag                                                               
fees for  black bear  from $225  to $600;  brown or  grizzly bear                                                               
from $500 to  $1,200; bison from $450 to $900;  caribou from $325                                                               
to $650: deer from  $150 to $275; elk and goat  will now be $575;                                                               
moose from $400 to $800; sheep  from $425 to $850; wolverine from                                                               
$175 to $325; and musk ox from $1,100 to $2,200.                                                                                
Section 19  makes multiple amendments. It  conforms amendments to                                                               
raising the age  for eligibility for a permanent  license from 60                                                               
to 62  and raises  the age one  needs to have  a license  from 16                                                               
years to 18.  It also raises the waterfowl  conservation tag from                                                               
$5 to $10.                                                                                                                      
Section  20 raises  the small  game hunting  license from  $20 to                                                               
Section  21 raises  the non-resident  alien hunting  license from                                                               
$300 to $600.                                                                                                                   
3:43:57 PM                                                                                                                    
Section 22 doubles the non-resident  alien big game tag fees for:                                                               
black  bear to  $600;  brown/grizzly bear  and  bison to  $1,300;                                                               
caribou to  $850; deer to  $400, elk and  goat to $800;  moose to                                                               
$1,000;  musk ox  to $3,000;  sheep to  $1,100; and  wolverine to                                                               
Section 23  raises the resident King  salmon tag from $10  to $15                                                               
and makes  conforming amendments  to the blind  license increase,                                                               
the exemption  age to 62  and the  license requirement age  to 18                                                               
Section 24 raises all six  non-resident King salmon tag fees: $15                                                               
for 1  day; from $20 to  $30 for 3-days;  from $30 to $45  for 7-                                                               
days; from  $50 to $75 for  14-days; the annual tag  from $100 to                                                               
$150 and the annual non-resident military tag from $20 to $30.                                                                  
3:45:11 PM                                                                                                                    
Section 25  has the new  fish and game conservation  decal, which                                                               
is voluntary,  for $20. This  section has intent  language saying                                                               
that  the legislature  may appropriate  these funds  to Fish  and                                                               
Wildlife Conservation programs.                                                                                                 
Section  26 raises  the required  age  to have  a sport  fishing,                                                               
hunting and trapping license from  16 years to 18. The provisions                                                               
in  this  section  about  non-residents  are  not  amended.  This                                                               
section  also amends  the  age that  a resident  can  get a  free                                                               
hunting, fishing  and trapping  license from 60  years to  62. It                                                               
also creates a  requirement that those eligible  for this license                                                               
will have to renew it every three years starting in 2019.                                                                       
Sections  27-31   make  conforming  amendments  to   raising  the                                                               
eligibility age from 60 to 62.                                                                                                  
Sections 28  and 29 allow a  resident to hunt and  fish on behalf                                                               
of a person with a developmental disability.                                                                                    
Section 32  is a number  of repealed statutes regarding  the fish                                                               
hatcheries and the surcharge.                                                                                                   
3:46:37 PM                                                                                                                    
Section 33 creates transition language  for those who are over 60                                                               
years and  currently eligible  for the  free hunting  and fishing                                                               
license so that they will continue to be eligible.                                                                              
Section 34 requires the ADF&G  commissioner to notify the Revisor                                                               
of  Statutes when  all costs  associated with  the fish  hatchery                                                               
bonds under  AS 37.15.765-799  are paid  and all  obligations are                                                               
fully met.                                                                                                                      
Section 35 crates a conditional effect  so that sections 1, 4, 9,                                                               
11, 13, 15, and  32 of this bill will not be  in effect until the                                                               
Revisor of Statutes is notified under section 34.                                                                               
Section 36 adds  uncodified language stating that  sections 1, 4,                                                               
9,  11, 13,  15,  and 32  will  be  in effect  January  1 of  the                                                               
calendar year following the notice in section 34.                                                                               
Section 37  creates an effective date  for the rest of  the bill,                                                               
which is January 1, 2016.                                                                                                       
3:47:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN said  it's a good idea to hold  this bill through                                                               
the interim and into next  January because of its magnitude. They                                                               
should have a  review of the Carlson case  because most recognize                                                               
that it  is a  commercial issue,  but there  is concern  over any                                                               
tie-ins with  sport and  unforeseen impacts.  He agreed  that the                                                               
DOL should  be in front of  them for a discussion.  He would also                                                               
like having a  review of the hatcheries' history  and status. One                                                               
of  the issues  is  the  challenges Senator  Stoltze  has in  his                                                               
district with sport  fish and seeing if senators  outside of that                                                               
area can come  up with a better feel for  what he struggling with                                                               
and some solutions, part of which  is the hatchery. Both of those                                                               
items would tie  into components of this bill.  The fee structure                                                               
discussion and how ADF&G should be restructured could happen.                                                                   
3:49:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL opened public testimony.                                                                                          
DICK ROHRER, representing himself,  Kodiak, Alaska, said today he                                                               
was just listening to the issues related to HB 137.                                                                             
3:50:16 PM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD BISHOP, Goldstream Valley,  Fairbanks North Star Borough,                                                               
Alaska, supported  HB 137. He is  a retired game biologist  and a                                                               
traditional hunter,  fisher and  trapper. He  is an  advocate for                                                               
sound fish  and game  management as well  as the  opportunity for                                                               
all Alaskans to take advantage of these resources.                                                                              
He said  HB 137  provides a  needed boost  to ADF&G  funding that                                                               
will  improve  management of  sport  fish  and wildlife  resource                                                               
programs  that  benefit all  Alaskans  as  well as  visitors.  It                                                               
provides the means  to capture more of the  available federal aid                                                               
(Pitman  Robertson  federal  restoration  dollars)  to  fish  and                                                               
wildlife  restoration.   It  will  allow  support   of  important                                                               
programs such  as intensive  game management,  Endangered Species                                                               
Act issues and  public education where federal  aid dollars can't                                                               
be used.                                                                                                                        
3:54:05 PM                                                                                                                    
AL BARRETTE,  representing himself, Fairbanks, Alaska,  wanted to                                                               
work over the Interim to make HB 137 a really good bill.                                                                        
3:54:46 PM                                                                                                                    
GEORGE  PIERCE,  representing  himself, Kasilof,  Alaska,  agreed                                                               
with some provisions of HB 137 but  not others. He said "no" to a                                                               
sockeye stamp;  it's ridiculous. The  people of Alaska  own those                                                               
resources and  shouldn't have the  fees raised. The  personal use                                                               
fishery is  subsistence and  residents are  entitled to  the fish                                                               
and game first.                                                                                                                 
He  wished someone  would amend  the  bill to  raise hunting  and                                                               
fishing fees  on guide services  that take non-residents  out and                                                               
make tons of money on them. He  also urged a review of guide fees                                                               
to know how much they really do pay.                                                                                            
He  said this  bill does  not need  to be  fast-tracked. Over  90                                                               
percent of testimony  has come from the guides who  want to raise                                                               
fees for residents. He agreed  with raising fees on non-residents                                                               
by 100 percent but not on residents.                                                                                            
3:56:34 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM  BROOKOVER,   Director,  Division   of  Sport   Fish,  Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish  and Game (ADF&G), Anchorage,  Alaska, said he                                                               
was available for questions on HB 137.                                                                                          
3:57:00 PM                                                                                                                    
EDDIE  GRASSER, representing  himself, Palmer,  Alaska, supported                                                               
HB 137  and provided some  history of  the issue. Over  100 years                                                               
ago, people like Teddy Roosevelt  initiated a process that was to                                                               
become   known  as   the  North   American  Model   for  Wildlife                                                               
Conservation,   which  is   "undoubtedly   the  most   successful                                                               
conservation  structure that  has  been devised  by mankind,"  he                                                               
said. It  took things  like wild turkey,  black tail  deer, Rocky                                                               
Mountain elk, from virtually being  on the verge of extinction to                                                               
thriving populations.                                                                                                           
One of  the central ingredients  of this model is  that sportsmen                                                               
agreed to  pay for it.  That is  what this legislation  is doing.                                                               
They are coming  to the legislature and asking  for these license                                                               
fee increases. They know that in  order to go hunting and fishing                                                               
somebody has  to manage those resources  and do it in  a way that                                                               
the harvestable  surplus is known.  Without adequate  funding the                                                               
department can't  do that.  If people think  they can  go hunting                                                               
and fishing anyway  even if they don't pay, the  state could fall                                                               
back on  precautionary rule  and not  allow expanded  seasons and                                                               
harvest limits that  people enjoy right now,  because of programs                                                               
like intensive management.                                                                                                      
MR. GRASSER thanked Representative  Talerico for introducing this                                                               
legislation and looked forward to working on it in the Interim.                                                                 
4:01:14 PM                                                                                                                    
GARY STEVENS,  lobbyist, Alaska  Outdoor Council  (AOC), Chugiak,                                                               
Alaska, said  he wanted  to talk  about intensive  management and                                                               
the surcharge  that is not currently  in HB 137. AOC  is grateful                                                               
for  the agency  funding  of intensive  management (IM)  programs                                                               
during  times of  financial prosperity.   Now  that it's  not the                                                               
case anymore,  AOC's membership  is willing to  step up  and help                                                               
pay for  the continued funding  for IM programs that  benefit all                                                               
Alaskan hunters. After all, hunters  are taking a public resource                                                               
for personal  use and it  only makes  sense that they  would help                                                               
fund  the  department  to  ensure that  the  IM  programs,  which                                                               
include  predator/prey  management, habitat  improvement,  survey                                                               
and  inventory  assessments  that  continue  when  the  state  is                                                               
lacking the  necessary funding.  It's critical  to the  future of                                                               
the ADF&G and management of the state's renewable resources.                                                                    
MR. STEVENS  related that  AOC has 48  different club  members in                                                               
the state representing about 10,000  people. The $10-IM surcharge                                                               
that is  not part  of the  bill now has  a three-year  sunset and                                                               
legislative oversight. It's critical to  take advantage of the PR                                                               
funds that are absolutely necessary  for reasonable management of                                                               
the state's  resources. At their  annual meeting in  February, 21                                                               
clubs  were represented;  they  went through  HB  137 and  didn't                                                               
support  it as  written but  were willing  to work  on it  in the                                                               
4:03:33 PM                                                                                                                    
RON SUMMERVILLE,  representing himself,  Juneau, Alaska,  said he                                                               
is  also  a  member  of the  Territorial  Sportsmen,  and  became                                                               
interested  in  the  license  increase issue  in  HB  137  mainly                                                               
because he was here when  Governor Hickel asked the department to                                                               
take  a 5  percent decrease;  he wanted  5 percent  decreases for                                                               
four years.  Both sport fish  and wildlife had some  general fund                                                               
(GF) monies that maintained  commercial fisheries weirs, counting                                                               
towers and  other things and  that just disappeared.  This year's                                                               
budget takes another $3 to $4  million in general fund monies out                                                               
of sport fish and wildlife,  and he predicted that would continue                                                               
until those divisions were gone.                                                                                                
MR. SUMMERVILLE said  he talked his organization  into looking at                                                               
ways to convince  the legislature to allow them to  pay more fees                                                               
to  carry on  these programs.  It's been  22 years  since general                                                               
license  fees  have increased  and  they  want to  increase  them                                                               
enough to not only meet present  demand but a little out into the                                                               
future, too.  They found that it  takes a 63 percent  increase in                                                               
all those  fees just to  bring them  up to inflation  level. With                                                               
ADF&G and 30 other organizations,   a compromise was developed in                                                               
which residents take a 80  percent increase and non-residents and                                                               
tag  fees a  100 percent  increase,  and 50  percent for  general                                                               
licenses. The reason is to have something that is consistent.                                                                   
He displayed  a graph  showing a  $10 million  separation between                                                               
the Pittman Roberts monies available  and how much the department                                                               
has been  able to obligate.  That has to  be obligated in  a two-                                                               
year period  or else it  reverts back to the  federal government.                                                               
He said, "We're way behind the  power curve right now on matching                                                               
federal  monies." He  also displayed  a  map of  the IM  predator                                                               
control programs  that are  required by  the legislature,  and he                                                               
asked  the House  Finance Committee,  if they  don't get  license                                                               
increases this  year, which  one of those  programs they  want to                                                               
see disappear and in what order,  because the only money that can                                                               
be used  to match  those programs  is either  Fish and  Game Fund                                                               
money or  GF money. If  a bill is not  passed this year,  some of                                                               
those programs will be lost.                                                                                                    
4:08:56 PM                                                                                                                    
THOR  STACEY, Alaska  Professional  Hunters Association,  Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, supported  HB 137. They  would like the freedom  from oil                                                               
revenue to manage Alaska's wildlife,  one of the constitutionally                                                               
defined  resources  that shall  be  conserved  and managed  on  a                                                               
sustained yield basis.                                                                                                          
He  said  90  percent  of  Alaska's  hunting  guides  are  Alaska                                                               
residents   who  rely   on  non-resident   clients.  Given   that                                                               
relationship  between resident  guides  and  a resident  industry                                                               
that relies on  non-resident hunters, it takes a  stiff upper lip                                                               
to support  a 100 percent  fee increase on non-resident  tag fees                                                               
knowing  that  resident  guides have  to  sell  those  increases.                                                               
At the same time, they are not  asking for the state to help sell                                                               
their hunts. They are confident  they can continue to do business                                                               
as before and generate more revenue for the state.                                                                              
MR. STACEY said they are asking  to pay more to ADF&G to maintain                                                               
Alaska's primacy  of wildlife  management in  the state.  If they                                                               
don't  have the  money to  do inventory  counts and  rely on  the                                                               
federal land managers  to do those things, Alaska's  fate will be                                                               
dictated by somebody else. The  industry feels it's their job and                                                               
their obligation  as sportsmen  ask to pay  more. He  wanted this                                                               
body  to recognize  that they  are  working with  a coalition  of                                                               
groups  that includes  resident interests.  This is  a good  will                                                               
effort by Alaska hunters and sportsmen and by industry.                                                                         
4:11:33 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained that  the House Finance Committee  Substitute for HB
137 increased  some fees  beyond the 100  percent level  for non-                                                               
residents on black and brown  bears. These are issues of fairness                                                               
and good  faith. This  is a  good faith  effort to  free Alaska's                                                               
wildlife  management  from the  vagaries  of  oil price  and  oil                                                               
4:12:31 PM                                                                                                                    
DOUG LARSON,  representing himself, Juneau, Alaska,  felt the fee                                                               
increases in HB  137 were not adequate. He has  lived, hunted and                                                               
fished  in Alaska  all his  life. He  served as  director of  the                                                               
Division of Wildlife  Conservation in 2007-2010. As  a result, he                                                               
understands the challenges  that go on with the  budgets for that                                                               
division  and  to  some  degree the  Division  of  Sportfish.  He                                                               
understands the importance of general  funds and the graciousness                                                               
the legislature  has had in the  past to provide CIPs  for things                                                               
like  intensive  management  (IM)   and  other  wildlife  related                                                               
programs,  which includes  Endangered Species  listing prevention                                                               
research and inventory work.                                                                                                    
He  supports the  Sportsmen's Coalition  proposed rates  and felt                                                               
the amounts  in the  existing bill  are insufficient  to maintain                                                               
those   viable   programs.   He  encouraged   increasing   rates,                                                               
particularly on the resident side.                                                                                              
He heard that  legislators don't want to raise  resident fees too                                                               
much and  can appreciate  that. However,  it's important  to note                                                               
that non-resident  hunters make  up less than  20 percent  of the                                                               
hunters in  Alaska each  year and take  relatively few  game, but                                                               
they contribute  75 percent of  the Fish and Game  Fund. Resident                                                               
hunters make  up about 80 percent  of the hunters in  Alaska each                                                               
year and  contribute about 25 percent  to the Fish and  Game Fund                                                               
and there is a similar relationship on the sport fishing side.                                                                  
This  isn't so  much a  reflection of  inappropriately high  non-                                                               
resident  fees,  which, in  fact,  are  lower relative  to  other                                                               
states'.  That  is  why  the coalition  supports  a  100  percent                                                               
increase  for non-residents.  Rather, it's  really a  function of                                                               
inappropriately low rates now.                                                                                                  
MR. LARSON  said he is  retired now and  his income is  less than                                                               
when it  was while he  was working. Nonetheless, like  many other                                                               
Alaskans, he is  willing and prepared to dig deeper  into his own                                                               
pocket  to pay  a  higher  amount to  ensure  that programs  like                                                               
survey and  inventory, intensive management,  protections against                                                               
ESA listings and access defense are viable.                                                                                     
This isn't  the first time  this issue  has come up.  However, up                                                               
until  now, agreement  couldn't be  found among  user groups.  At                                                               
this point, there  is strong board support for  a higher resident                                                               
and non-resident increase.                                                                                                      
He said  the term "IM"  conjures up anxiousness in  many peoples'                                                               
minds, but the  fact of the matter is that  funds that would come                                                               
in through something like a surcharge  would be used not only for                                                               
IM, but for  habitat to see whether predator control  is even the                                                               
appropriate measure to take.                                                                                                    
4:16:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. LARSON  said the  state receives  $2-3 million  annually from                                                               
federal/state  wildlife  grants,  separate from  Pittman  Roberts                                                               
Funds,  but those  need to  be matched  by state  dollars. That's                                                               
where the  idea of  a conservation pass  comes in,  because those                                                               
funds  could  help match  those  dollars  which  are used  for  a                                                               
variety of things including research  to ensure that species that                                                               
are not hunted, trapped or fished are not listed as endangered.                                                                 
There are many examples where  funds from those sources have been                                                               
resulted in preemption of ESA  listings; they include yellow-bill                                                               
loons,  black  oyster  catchers,   bats,  kitlets,  murlets,  and                                                               
Steller sea lions.  More recently, funds have been  used to study                                                               
Southeast Alaska's wolves to inform  a petition that is currently                                                               
out to list  the wolf as endangered under the  ESA. That research                                                               
is costly  and requires detailed  in formation in order  to stand                                                               
up  to legal  challenges. He  said listings  of game  or non-game                                                               
species  have   huge  implications  for  hunting,   fishing,  and                                                               
trapping  as  well  as  for   mineral  and  oil  exploration  and                                                               
extraction, and timber harvestings.                                                                                             
MR. LARSON said  he served on the  Governor's wildlife transition                                                               
team, a  team of  people with  a broad  array of  backgrounds and                                                               
interests.  However, there  was consensus  on a  number of  items                                                               
including  the  need  to  increase  license fees  and  to  do  so                                                               
sufficiently, the  need to diversify  revenue sources  (where the                                                               
concept  of a  conservation pass  is important),  and expand  and                                                               
enhance  intensive  management,  not just  predator  control.  In                                                               
other words,  get more information about  habitats, predator/prey                                                               
dynamics and  assessments. An IM  surcharge would help  with that                                                               
4:19:16 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  closed saying he appreciated  having the                                                               
bill before  the committee.  He has  talked to  people throughout                                                               
his district  and they are where  they want to be  in the current                                                               
4:20:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL said  she appreciated his courage  in bringing this                                                               
issue up and  held HB 137 in committee. She  said this issue will                                                               
have to be addressed as state revenue decreases.                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CSHB 137(FIN)am - Legislation Ver. S.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Sponsor Statement.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Section Analysis.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Consolidated Letters of Support - 3-24-15.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Fiscal Note - DFG-DAS-04-13-15.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Legal Analysis - State v. Carlson.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Letter of Support - Alaska Backcountry Hunters & Anglers - 3-15-15.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Letter of Support - BOG Chairman Spraker - 3-19-15.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Letter of Support - Dan Dunaway.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Letter of Support - Keith Woodworth.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Letter of Support - Kenai River Sportfishing Association - 3-20-15.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Letter of Support - Rebecca Schwanke.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Supporting Document - AK BHA Proposal 12-16-08.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Supporting Document - Fee Increase Effects.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Supporting Document - Governor Transition Team.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Supporting Document - License and Stamp Fee Revenue Increase.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Supporting Document - License and Tag Fee Increase Comparison.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Supporting Document - License and Tag Sales (1981-2014).pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Supporting Document - Outdoor Caucus Advisory Council Letter.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
CSHB 137(FIN) - Supporting Document - Tag Fee Revenue Increase.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM
HB 137
enalytica, AK LNG Update, April 2015.pdf SRES 4/16/2015 3:30:00 PM